OMG! I saw a picture of that on espn's website - I thought it was one of the best sports stories I've ever heard. The picture said it all. I teared up a bit.
Oh Sarah, don't be such a girl! :D
hehehe
It made a refreshing change though didn't it?
OMG! I saw a picture of that on espn's website - I thought it was one of the best sports stories I've ever heard. The picture said it all. I teared up a bit.quote]
Oh Sarah, don't be such a girl! :D
hehehe
It made a refreshing change though didn't it?
;) Only privately shed tears into my goggles.
Amy:
Please forgive my post if you thought it was a dig on the Cal Bears program or the team! I love the Cal Bears womans swim team and in fact, it is very, very high up on my list of the BEST in NCAA Swimming. What I meant is she swam for one of the best in the country and went from swimming at Cal to going pro---and then to this junk.
Please except my humble apologize for I did not and would not say anything bad about Cal Swimming.
I pretty much assumed you didn't mean anything by it, Stillhere. I probably should have put a smiley there to communicate that better. I do think the guy on Kirk's website was taking an opportunity to dis Cal. I was going to ask him how "Muffy" is doing and to please pass the Grey Poupon...
Amy:
Please forgive my post if you thought it was a dig on the Cal Bears program or the team! I love the Cal Bears womans swim team and in fact, it is very, very high up on my list of the BEST in NCAA Swimming. What I meant is she swam for one of the best in the country and went from swimming at Cal to going pro---and then to this junk.
Please except my humble apologize for I did not and would not say anything bad about Cal Swimming.
Jessica Hardy has been kicked off the team and should be given some sort of huge suspension, up to and including lifetime. There- that is how I feel, straight out.
HOWEVER- I am upset at the Geek and Paul (becoming a duo in their own right) continue to appear to ignore Lindsey's main point in a patently obtuse and combative manner. He is not arguing that she is not responsible for what she takes into her own body (in the highly unlikely 'contaminated supplement' scenario) nor is he quarreling with her being punished. In a quixotic way he is trying only to say that he is witholding his full moral condemnation pending any PROVEN extenuating circumstances (however unlikely that may be).
Why not move on? Geek, you are venturing into the ionosphere and quite frankly, you can do better than that.
Sorry Peter but I feel very strongly that in general our society is to quick to give a pass, forgive, forget, make excuses and just simply not punish liars and cheaters...it seems everywhere I turn more and more people are looking to cut corners, screw people over and basically be selfish. There needs to be enough shame and harsh enough punishments for bad behavior to make people think a little bit harder before they engage in it.
There I go....riding Geek's coat tails again.
Sorry Peter but I feel very strongly that in general our society is to quick to give a pass, forgive, forget, make excuses and just simply not punish liars and cheaters...it seems everywhere I turn more and more people are looking to cut corners, screw people over and basically be selfish. There needs to be enough shame and harsh enough punishments for bad behavior to make people think a little bit harder before they engage in it.
There I go....riding Geek's coat tails again.
Do you think lifetime bans will deter would be dopers? I'm not so sure about that ... Perhaps the main benefit would be preventing a known cheater from returning to the sport?
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Paul about the Excuse Machine.
Can anybody here give me a good reason of why all of the other supporters of Advocare have jumped like rats from a sinking ship?
By how many other endorsers of this product there were, it would seem pretty reasonable to "ASSUME" that they were a reputable company.
Ooops......maybe not......
There are two sides to this, at least. First off, JH and her cadre of excuse making family and lawyers have certainly put the thought in everyone's mind that her supplements could be the culprit, this without a single shred of proof. So, to one of the Advocare athletes hearing this they might get very nervous and leave the company. The irony here is JH is a proven doper and a known liar and cheat yet there hasn't been a single thing proven wrong with any of Advocare's products.
The thing about cheaters, as previously stated, is that they don't do gown without a fight, and usually take others down with them. Look at the trail of corpses from Jones, Clemens, Bonds, Canseco, Floyd. It's a familiar pattern.
So, oh mighty and all knowing one......because her test came back POS she is automatically a lying cheat? How do you KNOW this for fact? All we know is that she tested POS....we KNOW nothing else until the end result!
Where is your PROOF that she lied? Or cheated? And don't go spouting drivel about past liars or cheaters.....where is the proof that JH has done either of those?
Um, where is the proof she lied and cheated, try looking in the piss cup for starters. You will most assuredly find it there. Did you miss the part about her flunking a drug test?
My comment about past cheaters was to state that there is a pretty established pattern and JH isn't deviating one bit from it.
Some good things starting to happen on testing, hopefully this will help for where athletes have found something undetectable right now:
IOC to store athletes' test samples for eight years
www.usatoday.com/.../2008-07-28-ioc-drug-testing_N.htm
So many honest athletes out there...but I guess because the death penalty doesn't scare off serial killers I guess it means harsh punishment for cheating athletes won't work either....we should just give them all therapy and a hug.
Stronger Olympics drug testing shakes things up
"The sheer number of disqualified athletes — at least 37 since April — new testing methods, and Saturday's ruling to strip another 2000 Olympic gold serve as warnings to athletes about the risks of using performance-enhancing drugs."
www.usatoday.com/.../2008-08-03-drug-testing_N.htm
Where is your proof that she lied? Or cheated?
Just because you didn't like my answer doesn't mean it is going to change. The proof is in the piss cup. What more proof do I need, she flunked a drug test. Is there another set of proof required?
