Yes - one more time it's about the suit:
Here is a comparison to 2004 and what it took to make top 16 (top 8 for the 400) over the first 7 events:
2004 listed first then 2008 then the approx. % drop
400 IM - 4:24.8 to 4:21.0 1.5%
100 Fly - 1:01.29 to 59.97 2%
400 Free - 3:55.0 to 3:51.4 1.6%
400 IM - 4:49.57 to 4:43.2 2.3%
100 Br - 1:04.0 to 1:02.36 2.5%
100 Bk - 1:04.12 to 1:02.31 2.6%
200 Free - 1:51.1 to 1:48.76 2.2%
Ok - to be fair, people are getting faster, but I would guess at least a 1.5% drop across the board for the suit -- that is net time !
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in 2000, the average age of a top 15 qualifier out of prelims in 200fr was 21.3. in 2004, 21.8. in 2008, 23 even
Do not come up with phony numbers here - how lame is that. The average age of the top 16 prelim swimmers in the 200 Free for 2004 was 23.2 and in 2008 it was 23.0 --- I am guessing we are putting that theory to rest ?
I just made a long list of factors that could effect race times (at least mine).
Please, do share...until then we can only speculate:
1. Sinus infection
2. Shoulder
3. Monofin accident
4. Forgot to pack inhaler
5. Broke foot trying to hop a fence to catch daughter's soccer game
6. Beat Hulk in arm-wrestling match, but hurt elbow
7. Stayed up late reading USMS forum messages
8. Got so bitchy during taper I rear-ended a state trooper on the way to the meet...and then cussed him out and spent the night in jail
Please, do share...until then we can only speculate:
1. Sinus infection
2. Shoulder
3. Monofin accident
4. Forgot to pack inhaler
5. Broke foot trying to hop a fence to catch daughter's soccer game
6. Beat Hulk in arm-wrestling match, but hurt elbow
7. Stayed up late reading USMS forum messages
8. Got so bitchy during taper I rear-ended a state trooper on the way to the meet...and then cussed him out and spent the night in jail
9. Could not fit in %$^D fastskin due to excessive musculature.
They did demolish the Canadian record, even though Hayden didn't swim the free leg due to back problems.
Individual then relay. I could not find how the starts were. Same swimmers, same meet, same motivation (probably but not sure), same pool
Tapp 55.53 55:11
Bois 1:01.53 1:00.29
Bartoch 52.28 51.68
Greenshields 49.14 47.91
Do not come up with phony numbers here - how lame is that. The average age of the top 16 prelim swimmers in the 200 Free for 2004 was 23.2 and in 2008 it was 23.0 --- I am guessing we are putting that theory to rest ?
check your math. besides, the 2004 number for 16 is skewed by the appearance of josh davis, who was a non-factor as a distant 16th. if you compare the finals of all trials, you will see a shift to more professionals. if you can't see it, you're doing all you can to ignore what's obviously in front of all of us. none of what i said removed the possibility of a suit helping, it just goes against your single-minded notion of all of the time drops being completely due to the suit. objectivity please?
Why didn't Hoff or Ziegler crush the AR tonight? Probably nothing to do with the suit they wore
Um, Hoff's American Record was set wearing a LZR back in May. Tonight's swim by Ziegler was a personal best.
Please, do share...until then we can only speculate:
1. Sinus infection
2. Shoulder
3. Monofin accident
4. Forgot to pack inhaler
5. Broke foot trying to hop a fence to catch daughter's soccer game
6. Beat Hulk in arm-wrestling match, but hurt elbow
7. Stayed up late reading USMS forum messages
8. Got so bitchy during taper I rear-ended a state trooper on the way to the meet...and then cussed him out and spent the night in jail
Such a short list. Where's your imagination?!
I'm not surprised to see high school kids in Pros. I was trying not to DQ kids at a B meet last night, and saw a 7 year old in a fastskin. A 7 year old ... at a developmental meet ... in summer league .... :rolleyes:
that was an interesting final in the backstroke, the two legskins (peirsol and grevers) beat the two bodyskins (lochte and bal). new world record. 'nuff said.
