I've been giggling about this all morning! Many of the young swimmers from my pool are attending the BYU swim camps starting this week. One of the young guys who always wears brief (racer) style swim suits told me that he isn't allowed to where them at the camp. I pulled up the info on the camp and the info packet does say "no Speedos or bikini briefs are allowed for male participants". I'm sorry, but jammers are no less revealing than briefs! If anything they are more so - in my opinion. I can understand a modest dress code at BYU, but swimmers are so use to seeing each other in these types of suits. I would love to know the thinking behind this dress code? :lmao:
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I don’t see why BYU (or any other college or university) should take issue about modesty in swimwear. Attempting to implement a modesty policy in swimwear is just an illusory and silly approach to preventing moral decadence much like the taboos againsts excessive skin exposure seen in the Mid East. :shakeshead:
When it comes to swimming, the ordinary commercial off-the-shelf briefs (made by Speedo, Nike, Adidas, etc. for the past 45 years) have been deemed socially acceptable without the interference of wearing excess clothing in the water. :drink:
I don't know: Which is more attractive Elle MacPherson (dating myself) in one of those skimpy SI numbers with just her arms covering her bodacious ta tas or Elle MacPherson in full middle eastern garb? For me, I may not even notice the second person and continue walking my pig (don't imply I am advocating such cumbersome fashion or the oppressive society that may go with it).
If "socially acceptable" is your litmus test for societal greatness, just turn on MTV (my daughter already has it on) and watch "My super sweet 16" or "the Hills" and see our miserable, and yet socially acceptable, future.
BYU policy may be silly and illusory, but is an approach to at least a perceived immorality problem. If you look at the majority of today's youth and like and are impressed by what you see, then by all means, let us stay the course.
BTW, Paul the Portland thing was supposed to be on the down-low. I don't need any disgruntled forumites pouring raw sewage in my lane during my swims (my swims will be stinky enough).
Hey Kurt
For ages, the Mid East has had a strict policy on supposedly "revealing" styles of clothing and it has accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of making people's behavior any more socially acceptable. Saudi Arabia has strict standards for casual/revealing clothing and public morality, but that didn't prevent them from becoming a breeding ground for Al Queda did it? :mad:
Furthermore, swimmer's briefs were introduced (by Adolf Kiefer) for maximizing comfort and freedom in the water and they have been around for almost 50 years without creating a morality problem. So why would anyone even considering them as being a "spark that might ignite a moral conflagration" these days? :dunno:
This kind of paranoid thinking is as bad as the problem that it is purportedly trying to fix. In fact, the current morality problems in the U.S. (and the rest of the world for that matter) are way beyond the control of a dress code and those who think banning swimwear is a starting place for fixing problem are barking up the wrong tree. :shakeshead:
My advice to the adminsitrators at BYU (and any other institution that might be concerned that minimal swimwear might be contributing to societal decadence), just "let the cookies fall where they may" and let the guys and girls wear commercial off-the-store-shelf briefs and bikinis.
Because when reality finally hits, their approach of prohibition won't make a "Flatulation in Hell's worth of difference". :frustrated:
Dolphin 2
Kurt..... I do understand the culture - that is what is making me giggle about the whole brief (dress code) issue. I'm just waiting for BYU, a private institution, to make each participant wear the new LZR or Tracer full body to make things more modest. Instead of a camp costing $400 to $600, it will cost well over a $1,000. This should bring in the participants!!!
Kurt, I've seen you in the results lately, maybe we'll meet up in the pool again someday. Take care....
Modesty most probably can be arranged at less than the $500 dollar price tag of high-tech LZR fabric.
The suits that the PE department issued while I was there were like a trunk (and could not have cost more than 5 dollars). The swimmers actually used them on occasion for drag suits.
I know I'm an unenlightened, knuckle-dragging, neanderthal (at least that was what I've been called on previous posts), but I'm not sure more modesty is such a bad thing. There are many girls on my daughter's swim team that dress more like they are trying to get a date than train.
As far a participants, there have got to be hundreds of swim camps in the country. As far as I know, BYU sells out consistently because the parents that pay for the camp are trying to provide an exposure beyond swimming that might make their children mature in other ways.
Kurt, I've seen you in the results lately, maybe we'll meet up in the pool again someday. Take care....
He'll be in Portland with Team AZ Dennis so you've got your chance...and by the way he's swimming VERY fast these days...even without the wetsuits that some of us use!
A few comments:
Geek: Granny panties make me hot.
Sam: Don’t mess with my boy, Mitt.
David, Sam and others: It does not matter what I enter at nationals I will be racing for 4th (Chris S and ?you in Back and Shaffer, Irwin, and others in distance).
Dolphin: A failed ban at a public swim pool in a city of 20 total people (and only known for about every western ever created) is not an argument against continuing to try--I mean have you gone to a public pool? 99% of attendees should not be sporting a bikini and the one that could pull it off just cannot make up for the visual trauma (i.e. bleeding retinas) I endure with the others (someone please tell me where a 300 lb woman with a styrofoam noodle between her legs gets that kind of self-esteem).
Also, french people are indeed hygienically challenged. Their government is ridiculous and socialized medicine is a crock.:bitching:
I liked how the pool is named the "Cowboy Water'n Hole"...
And read this excerpt:
"The restrictions were not popular, even in the community where the council passed a resolution in 2006 to favor the 'natural family' consisting of a working husband, a stay-at-home wife and a 'full quiver of children.'"
WHAT? THis is unfair! What about my situation?
Working wife, stay at home (watching European Championships and going swimming) husband, with 2 kids? No bibles in my house either...ack guess I am doomed!
He'll be in Portland with Team AZ Dennis so you've got your chance...and by the way he's swimming VERY fast these days...even without the wetsuits that some of us use!
It looks like we'll get to see a Dickson/Kays 1500m free grudge match.
WHAT? THis is unfair! What about my situation?
Working wife, stay at home (watching European Championships and going swimming) husband, with 2 kids? No bibles in my house either...ack guess I am doomed!
Yes, doomed to sanity. ;)
