I've been giggling about this all morning! Many of the young swimmers from my pool are attending the BYU swim camps starting this week. One of the young guys who always wears brief (racer) style swim suits told me that he isn't allowed to where them at the camp. I pulled up the info on the camp and the info packet does say "no Speedos or bikini briefs are allowed for male participants". I'm sorry, but jammers are no less revealing than briefs! If anything they are more so - in my opinion. I can understand a modest dress code at BYU, but swimmers are so use to seeing each other in these types of suits. I would love to know the thinking behind this dress code? :lmao:
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I don’t see why BYU (or any other college or university) should take issue about modesty in swimwear. Attempting to implement a modesty policy in swimwear is just an illusory and silly approach to preventing moral decadence much like the taboos againsts excessive skin exposure seen in the Mid East. :shakeshead:
When it comes to swimming, the ordinary commercial off-the-shelf briefs (made by Speedo, Nike, Adidas, etc. for the past 45 years) have been deemed socially acceptable without the interference of wearing excess clothing in the water. :drink:
I don't know: Which is more attractive Elle MacPherson (dating myself) in one of those skimpy SI numbers with just her arms covering her bodacious ta tas or Elle MacPherson in full middle eastern garb? For me, I may not even notice the second person and continue walking my pig (don't imply I am advocating such cumbersome fashion or the oppressive society that may go with it).
If "socially acceptable" is your litmus test for societal greatness, just turn on MTV (my daughter already has it on) and watch "My super sweet 16" or "the Hills" and see our miserable, and yet socially acceptable, future.
BYU policy may be silly and illusory, but is an approach to at least a perceived immorality problem. If you look at the majority of today's youth and like and are impressed by what you see, then by all means, let us stay the course.
BTW, Paul the Portland thing was supposed to be on the down-low. I don't need any disgruntled forumites pouring raw sewage in my lane during my swims (my swims will be stinky enough).
Hey Kurt
For ages, the Mid East has had a strict policy on supposedly "revealing" styles of clothing and it has accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of making people's behavior any more socially acceptable. Saudi Arabia has strict standards for casual/revealing clothing and public morality, but that didn't prevent them from becoming a breeding ground for Al Queda did it? :mad:
Furthermore, swimmer's briefs were introduced (by Adolf Kiefer) for maximizing comfort and freedom in the water and they have been around for almost 50 years without creating a morality problem. So why would anyone even considering them as being a "spark that might ignite a moral conflagration" these days? :dunno:
This kind of paranoid thinking is as bad as the problem that it is purportedly trying to fix. In fact, the current morality problems in the U.S. (and the rest of the world for that matter) are way beyond the control of a dress code and those who think banning swimwear is a starting place for fixing problem are barking up the wrong tree. :shakeshead:
My advice to the adminsitrators at BYU (and any other institution that might be concerned that minimal swimwear might be contributing to societal decadence), just "let the cookies fall where they may" and let the guys and girls wear commercial off-the-store-shelf briefs and bikinis.
Because when reality finally hits, their approach of prohibition won't make a "Flatulation in Hell's worth of difference". :frustrated:
Dolphin 2
I don’t see why BYU (or any other college or university) should take issue about modesty in swimwear. Attempting to implement a modesty policy in swimwear is just an illusory and silly approach to preventing moral decadence much like the taboos againsts excessive skin exposure seen in the Mid East. :shakeshead:
When it comes to swimming, the ordinary commercial off-the-shelf briefs (made by Speedo, Nike, Adidas, etc. for the past 45 years) have been deemed socially acceptable without the interference of wearing excess clothing in the water. :drink:
I don't know: Which is more attractive Elle MacPherson (dating myself) in one of those skimpy SI numbers with just her arms covering her bodacious ta tas or Elle MacPherson in full middle eastern garb? For me, I may not even notice the second person and continue walking my pig (don't imply I am advocating such cumbersome fashion or the oppressive society that may go with it).
If "socially acceptable" is your litmus test for societal greatness, just turn on MTV (my daughter already has it on) and watch "My super sweet 16" or "the Hills" and see our miserable, and yet socially acceptable, future.
BYU policy may be silly and illusory, but is an approach to at least a perceived immorality problem. If you look at the majority of today's youth and like and are impressed by what you see, then by all means, let us stay the course.
BTW, Paul the Portland thing was supposed to be on the down-low. I don't need any disgruntled forumites pouring raw sewage in my lane during my swims (my swims will be stinky enough).
Hey Kurt
For ages, the Mid East has had a strict policy on supposedly "revealing" styles of clothing and it has accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of making people's behavior any more socially acceptable. Saudi Arabia has strict standards for casual/revealing clothing and public morality, but that didn't prevent them from becoming a breeding ground for Al Queda did it? :mad:
Furthermore, swimmer's briefs were introduced (by Adolf Kiefer) for maximizing comfort and freedom in the water and they have been around for almost 50 years without creating a morality problem. So why would anyone even considering them as being a "spark that might ignite a moral conflagration" these days? :dunno:
This kind of paranoid thinking is as bad as the problem that it is purportedly trying to fix. In fact, the current morality problems in the U.S. (and the rest of the world for that matter) are way beyond the control of a dress code and those who think banning swimwear is a starting place for fixing problem are barking up the wrong tree. :shakeshead:
My advice to the adminsitrators at BYU (and any other institution that might be concerned that minimal swimwear might be contributing to societal decadence), just "let the cookies fall where they may" and let the guys and girls wear commercial off-the-store-shelf briefs and bikinis.
Because when reality finally hits, their approach of prohibition won't make a "Flatulation in Hell's worth of difference". :frustrated:
Dolphin 2
