Dara just one the national title in the 100M Freestyle in 54.4 at the ripe old age of 40. Simply Incredible. :applaud: :woot:
If that's not inspiring I don't know what is.
It would be interesting to take two sizeable groups of young sprint swimmers (say, age 17 to 21), train half of them using a conventional high mileage training plan and half using Dara Torres's training plan and see which group has the most improvement over an 18 month stretch.
If I remember correctly, the NYT article said that DT did the same workout as the sprinters at the club where she was training, except she didn't do doubles.
From what I could tell, I think it was the dryland and the recovery program that were more innovative, not the "wet work."
It would be interesting to take two sizeable groups of young sprint swimmers (say, age 17 to 21), train half of them using a conventional high mileage training plan and half using Dara Torres's training plan and see which group has the most improvement over an 18 month stretch.
There is a difference, I think, between making an accusation and expressing skepticism. As for evidence of PED use, if there were any then we would have nothing to discuss, would we?
Personally speaking, my skepticisim is not based on the fact that no one has done this before. This is very different, in my mind, from breaking a barrier such as 19 sec in the 50. Setting American records at the age of 41, and after having retired from the sport for 13 of the last 16 years, cannot be explained on the basis of novel training methods, nutrition, or pregnancy. She is an anomaly, a true phenomenon. Or she is juiced. And if she is juiced, I don't believe we will ever know. Which would mean that we have entered a new era in sports.
Well, I have been told I'm not so good with reading comprehension, but I thought I read you questioning whether Geek might have something "against women in general?"
No, I can't think of many women who would intentionally harm their child. But some people take crazy risks with their health and life (e.g., FloJo).
Agree, there are some out there that are just plain stupid if you ask me. Specially when it comes to the possibility of stardom.
The comment was in reference to the "unwed mother" comment he made. After that I simply asked a question....was it an accusation? Not meant that way.....just questioning his motives.....same way a lot of people are questioning Dara. People here are saying they are just "asking" questions...am I allowed to as well?
Tracy, this will be my last post on this subject...and you quote above is the perfect time for me to exit. You've twisted a hell of a lot that some of us have tried to discuss here...in subtle ways that remind me of my radical friends on the right and left of the political spectrum...always avoiding the specific's of what is being questioned and immediately going to the easy route of accusing us who question as attacking...pretty sad.
Bonds case and your support of the fact that he was never proven to be guilty in spite of the fact he did admit to using the clear and the cream (sports.espn.go.com/.../story, the incredible physiological changes he went thru and the simple fact that you believe with all your heart as George does that will a little bit of stretching, the latest fad training regime, and $100k a year in over the counter supplements anyone over 40 can achieve the level of success Dara has...I remind you the success comes after 7 years off and from somebody who'd times were at the elite end of the spectrum as far as human performance for swimming...not a masters swimmer trying to dial in some better technique are all wonderful in the realm of hero worship...but sadly "blind" in the real world we live in.
Wonderful things are done in sports everyday...break thru's occur occasinally, you choose to accept blindly this is one of them and attack those of us who are tired of seeing cheating going on at every level of sport. I hope Dara never tests negative, I hope we have witnessed a profound breakthrough in sports...but I refuse to be intimidated out of questioning feats such as this by anyone and sorry Jim but I/we who love the sport we put so much time in won't "give it a break" because the real world needs people who don't blindly worship others and are willing to ask hard questions.
By the way regarding McGuire, Andro was illegal per the DEA but not by MLB...nice eh? oh I guess breaking a federal law doesn't matter as long as baseball doesn't care!
Paul, I would challenge you to go back and find a place where I "accused" people without first being labeled in one way or the other! If countering someone's point of view with what I "believe" to be true is accusing....then sure enough I am guilty. I would honestly apologize to anyone that I offended by trying to prove my point....never my intention. But to sit by when people make snide remarks to make their points never has been my habit. I actually thought this was a pretty reasonable discussion about the subject........
And by the way, how many pounds do most of us put on as we grow older? I know I am up about 20-30 since 35. And that's without extensive lifting to build bulk.
You are so gullable, I put on 100 lbs after I was 35 and never used. Although it was not all muscle, probably no muscle.
Now, come on! Bonds gains 50 pounds of muscle after the age of 35 in the Era of Steroids and tests positive for both steroids and amphetamines. Yeah, he's a real hero.
There may be no "proven guilty" with Bonds. He got immunity for testifying and can now only be prosecuted for perjury. Still, I have no problem with concluding he's guilty of using steroids and cheating. And why is expressing an opinion or thought about his guilt a big deal? We're not held to a criminal standard of proof in forming opinions.
Geek may be many things (another 25K swim warrior?) but being a sexist is NOT one of them.
Personally, I think parents need to go easy on the professional athlete as hero and role model.
Never said he was a sexist...I have read his posts before....just kind of wondering why he brought that up as a point and what it had to do with the subject being discussed.
Heck if anything the fact that she is a mom can be used to support the fact that she is clean.
Would you put that garbage in your system knowing you would pass it directly on to your kid? Not many women would that I know.
