Dara Torres-Amazing

Iwannafly - I have decided to stick my head in the sand on Lance Armstrong much as tjburk has done on his hero Torres. We all have our limits as to what we can believe. I like Lance and that is my lame excuse. I like him too and until I read this article (yesterday) I had absolute faith that he was clean. Now, my faith is shaken, but only slightly, because I can't seem to get over my impression that Lemond is a bit of a whiner and that he's jealous of Armstrong's achievements. The one piece of that article that made it something other than Lemond against the world, was the bit about the woman who was in Armstrong's hospital room when he supposedly admitted to using EPO.

At least I am consistent--I question his achievements, too. I recognize my inconsistency and embrace it. I also like The Smiths which goes against all I know to be good and wholesome.

At least I am consistent--I question his achievements, too. Me too, even though I think Lance is cool.

Iwannafly - I have decided to stick my head in the sand on Lance Armstrong much as tjburk has done on his hero Torres. We all have our limits as to what we can believe. I like Lance and that is my lame excuse.

Looks like the sport continues to push the limits. "we know that five of his (Lances') ex-teammates have been involved in doping." latimesblogs.latimes.com/.../the-dope-on-lan.html I have been a big supporter and fan of Lance Armstrong, just as I was a fan of Greg LeMond in the late 80s and when he won his last Tour in 1990. But this article makes me question Armstrong's achievements. I always believed that after suffering what he did during his treatment for cancer, he could never treat his body badly again. But I don't believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt any longer. I do believe that there is a reliable test for EPO now and that somebody, or multiple somebodies, will get caught every Tour until riders and teams begin to change their mindsets. I am pulling for Team Slipstream because of their extensive testing program outside that of the Tour organizer's and the UCI's testing program. Vandevelde is in 3rd place and I believe beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is clean.

The bigger question in my mind is the exponential increase in the number of athletes using the inhalers...USA Today and SI I believe both had articles on the subject in recent years. So is it (un)common for middle age adults to start using them...I thought typically people with asthma or breathing problems requiring the use of inhalers usually had the problem early on in their lives? I used to think the same thing. About two years ago my wife was diagnosed with asthma at the age of 32 after having suffered breathing problems for the prior 5 or 6 months. The MD said it was not uncommon for these things to develop later in life. This is not to say that many athletes are not looking for a diagnosis in order to obtain a prescription though. No doubt there are many of those.

Full article here: www.mark-warnecke.de/.../new_york_times_0607.pdf U.S. Swimming Trials: Torres Credits Amino Acid for Comeback July 6, 2008 By PAT BORZI The New York Times Ridiculous. Spoonfuls of amino acids in powder form don't even compare to the amount in food.

Paul it all depends on which inhaller you use. Some are legal some illegal

Everything is absolute outside the minds of men, and as you know, Dara Torres is a woman. Sorry, disagree here. No matter what science and technology advance to, there are no absolutes, so there will always be doubt. Paul

So, I take it then that you have a bunch of statistical info to back up your assumption made here.....Using the line of Amino Acids that he developed? We take vitamins to supplement our diet.....we try different supplements that come out to try and recover faster......What if he did develop a new mixture of legal supplements that can help? Or, maybe she is just that good! mark-warnecke.de/.../amsport1_engl.html This page is short on details about exactly which amino acids are in the supplement and in what quantities. It does brag about three particular amino acids: arginine, glycine, and proline. www.nutritiondata.com/.../2 This page lists the amounts of amino acids in chicken ***. In half of a chicken ***, there is well over a gram each of arginine, glycine, and proline. A tablespoon of the powder is not likely to have more than 10 grams total of amino acids. If it contained nothing but these three amino acids, it would be about equal to one chicken ***. Of course, chicken contains similar amounts of many other amino acids, just like every other food with a significant amount of protein.