Does anyone else suffer from oxygen debt after tumble turn?

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This is not the least of my worries in swimming, but I tend to fall into oxygen debt after tumble turns. In fact, when I keep doing tumble turns in lap swims, it is less taxing to swim 50 LCM than 25 SCY, because I have more time in 50 LCM to recover from the oxygen debt, whereas in 25 SCY, I have to do another tumble turn and fall, yet again, into oxygen debt, before fully recovering from the previous bout. Do other master swimmers out there suffer from a similar problem? How do you over come this?
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    Thank you TN boy for joining my team. The urge to breathe is almost entirely a result of C02 excess in the blood, triggering one respiratory center in the carotid sinus (might have the wordage wrong as I am thinking in portuguese while typing in english). The other respiratory centers are in the third ventricle in the brain and some in the chord. These respond to oxygen decrease in the blood and to H+ ions increase in the liquor (not the one you imbibe, the one that is bathing your chord, medulla and brain). If you have morphine or other narcotics injected into you, you will breathe less often because your triggering will be at above the normal level of 40-43 partial pressure of C02. Thus a patient or a person who is under the influence of narcotics (opioids) breathes less often leading to an "oxygen debt", which might even lead to death! Or take this scenario: a well trained athlete or diver or snokeler or person who dives deap to spear fish, might by mind control stay longer under, but upon coming up he might pass out from oxygen deprivation or he might pass out when the pressures around his blood change thus changing the oxygen content of said blood leading to loss of conscience and maybe death. Not so easy in a swimming pool because you don't change your ambient pressures, and you don't go for that long without breathing. So train your mind by doing the tennesse turn or not breathing or doing intervals, whatever you do, it will work, because the fact that you think you are training your body, when in fact you are training your mind does not interfere with the final result that is that you may swim longer without taking breaths. billy fanstone P.S. The semantics of calling something "oxygen debt" does not change the need to breathe or the results of breathing. Oxygen debt or excessive carbon dioxide, they both lead to a need to breathe, but the excess carbon dioxide is more prevalent, such that when other factors would kick in, this one has taken care of the job, because as you breathe to get rid of excess C02, you also breathe in oxygen.
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    Thank you TN boy for joining my team. The urge to breathe is almost entirely a result of C02 excess in the blood, triggering one respiratory center in the carotid sinus (might have the wordage wrong as I am thinking in portuguese while typing in english). The other respiratory centers are in the third ventricle in the brain and some in the chord. These respond to oxygen decrease in the blood and to H+ ions increase in the liquor (not the one you imbibe, the one that is bathing your chord, medulla and brain). If you have morphine or other narcotics injected into you, you will breathe less often because your triggering will be at above the normal level of 40-43 partial pressure of C02. Thus a patient or a person who is under the influence of narcotics (opioids) breathes less often leading to an "oxygen debt", which might even lead to death! Or take this scenario: a well trained athlete or diver or snokeler or person who dives deap to spear fish, might by mind control stay longer under, but upon coming up he might pass out from oxygen deprivation or he might pass out when the pressures around his blood change thus changing the oxygen content of said blood leading to loss of conscience and maybe death. Not so easy in a swimming pool because you don't change your ambient pressures, and you don't go for that long without breathing. So train your mind by doing the tennesse turn or not breathing or doing intervals, whatever you do, it will work, because the fact that you think you are training your body, when in fact you are training your mind does not interfere with the final result that is that you may swim longer without taking breaths. billy fanstone P.S. The semantics of calling something "oxygen debt" does not change the need to breathe or the results of breathing. Oxygen debt or excessive carbon dioxide, they both lead to a need to breathe, but the excess carbon dioxide is more prevalent, such that when other factors would kick in, this one has taken care of the job, because as you breathe to get rid of excess C02, you also breathe in oxygen.
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