question to dolphin kick after dive/turn

Former Member
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Hi all! I have got a question to when to perform a LEGAL dolphin kick after dive/turn. In watching Brendan Hansen’s video clip www.youtube.com/watch He performed a dolphin kick after the dive and Prior to the pullout, could please someone tell me why it is legal. Shouldn’t the dolphin kick has to be performed after pullout?? Thank you very much.
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    Ok, the underwater footage is of Kitajima and the attached picture shows his hands were still together in streamline when he did his dolphin kick. It is not clear that any rule about dolphin kicking in the breaststroke is enforceable. In the video you can also see a downward kick as he enters the water. I have always thought that this entry kick was permissible but some argue otherwise. In my personal opinion FINA is not very good at writing rules. The actual rule does not explicitly say that the kick has to occur after the pullout, only that it must be followed by a breaststroke kick. If it must occur after the pullout they should have said so instead of leaving the "immediately followed" to be read in. They also don't seem to realize that their rule problems often come down to the difficulty of judging relative timing. Judges couldn't tell if backstrokers were past ninety degrees toward their *** at the exact moment they touched the wall, so they changed the rule, and instead of doing the natural "part of a continuous rotation to the ***" they came up with the near meaningless "part of a continuous turning action" leaving us with backstrokers no longer having to swim on their back for part of the race. Here it is very difficult to tell if the pull has started when the kick is done, I couldn't say for sure until I froze the video. Does the kick occur when the feet start the upward movement or when they complete the downward movement or somewhere between? That makes a big difference in interpretation. Looks like Kitajima is still "pushing the limits", as were several other breaststroke swimmers.
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  • Former Member
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    Ok, the underwater footage is of Kitajima and the attached picture shows his hands were still together in streamline when he did his dolphin kick. It is not clear that any rule about dolphin kicking in the breaststroke is enforceable. In the video you can also see a downward kick as he enters the water. I have always thought that this entry kick was permissible but some argue otherwise. In my personal opinion FINA is not very good at writing rules. The actual rule does not explicitly say that the kick has to occur after the pullout, only that it must be followed by a breaststroke kick. If it must occur after the pullout they should have said so instead of leaving the "immediately followed" to be read in. They also don't seem to realize that their rule problems often come down to the difficulty of judging relative timing. Judges couldn't tell if backstrokers were past ninety degrees toward their *** at the exact moment they touched the wall, so they changed the rule, and instead of doing the natural "part of a continuous rotation to the ***" they came up with the near meaningless "part of a continuous turning action" leaving us with backstrokers no longer having to swim on their back for part of the race. Here it is very difficult to tell if the pull has started when the kick is done, I couldn't say for sure until I froze the video. Does the kick occur when the feet start the upward movement or when they complete the downward movement or somewhere between? That makes a big difference in interpretation. Looks like Kitajima is still "pushing the limits", as were several other breaststroke swimmers.
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