OK...Here comes a thread for all of you wannabe odds-makers.
Post your thoughts for establishing handicaps for personal challenge races.
Here are a couple of mine:
1. Age credit: basic idea.....the older of the two gets a handicap. (as in chaos vs. muppet) the handicap goes to yours truly.
2. Wetsuit penalty: self explanatory....I heard 10% is a good rule of thumb for this one.
3. Personal bests (within 2 years).....swimmers are handicapped based on their best recent performances. (this could make geek vs. gull II a real nail-biter)
That's very interesting Lindsay!
But I think that theoretically has me racing Rich Abrahams. No thanks.
and me racing tall paul, and in a couple of years, both smiths and ande.
same here, no thanks.
:)
and me racing tall paul, and in a couple of years, both smiths and ande.
same here, no thanks.
:)
Bring it on Mollie.....cash in hand...I'm ready for you!!
Bring it on Mollie.....cash in hand...I'm ready for you!!
Bring it on Rich Abraham ... cash in hand ... I'm ready for you!!!
The 50 free is only my fourth favorite event however ... Care for a 50 fly or 50 back?
Right. If there are some other 60ish male posters that are supposed to be racing 45 year old women, I'd be happy to oblige unless they're breaststrokers or butterfroggers.
Gee, Paul, I'm not sure you want to take on Mollie with that knee. Do you have any idea how fast she is? Go Mollie, fast PV swimmer. :woot: Sorry, Paul, but it's a Sistahood thing.
It's interesting that the M55-59 is absent from this comparison.
Out of curiousity I compared the distribution of times for the women's age groups and compared them to the men's distributions, looking for the best match in the first "hump" in the distribution (the center of the first "pack"). These are the matches:
W18-24/M50-54
W25-29/M45-49
W30-34/M50-54
W35-39/M60-64
W40-44/M60-64
W45-49/M60-65
W50-54/M60-65
W55-59/M65-69
The distributions were for the 100m freestyle, for the last couple years of competition in the Canadian results database. I've attached a sample distribution.
That's very interesting Lindsay!
But I think that theoretically has me racing Rich Abrahams. No thanks.
I agree...interesting, but what I'm trying to do here is figure out some method by which you or me or anyone could go up against Mr. Abrahams.
Example:
2005 Chesapeake Bay results (the last year I did it)
Muppet 1:48.14
Me 1:54.10
Based on past results, a six minute spread would be in order for a 2007 match-up. (putting aside the wetsuit issue, age issue, hair issue)
A friend of mine would spot me 10 minutes on 5k's and we were always really close to the spread.....makes it interesting.....and if starbucks is involved....
That is of course, because M55-59 is the creme de la creme of masters swimming an incomparable group who will continue to age up gracefully and refuse to be handicapped.
Since I just joined this age group I think I like this response.:groovy:
Sounds straight forward. So what's the question?
question? i'm just trying to bait muppet into making a public challenge and trying to encourage others to enter into similar contracts with this colorful cast of characters we have here...canadians included. (swimmers without borders)
I think John has pretty much nailed this on an earlier thread:
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September 7th, 2005, 10:01 AM #1
TheGoodSmith
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John C. Smith
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Aurora, CO
Posts: 475 Handicap rules for USMS
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I propose USMS adopt handicap measurements to more equitably compare performances in Masters Swimming.
1. Married ...... deduct one tenth per 50
2. Nagging spouse.... deduct two tenths per 50
3. Each child under the age of 10..... deduct one tenth per 50
4. Work more than 40 hours a week..... deduct one tenth per 50
5. House and car payment stress.... deduct on tenth per vehicle two tenths per house.
6. Travel more than 1 day a week.... one tenth per 50
Note: item 6 can help negate item 2.
In addition.... those of us with more manageable lifestyles need to adjust their times as well.
7. Training more than 4,000 a workout ...... add one tenth per 50
8. Training more than 4 days a week....... add one tenth per 50
9. Born independently wealthy..... add 3 tenths per 50
John Smith
