Hi usms swim friends,
I'm working on a new swim faster faster article and I wanted to gather a little data first
here's my questions:
In your 2 or 3 best events
what are your lifetime best times?
how old were you when you swam them?
what year was that?
what are your best times in those events for each masters age group you've been in?
here's an example of what I'm looking for
Ande Rasmussen
50 scy free
1985 22 20.4
(25 - 29) 1991 28 20.5
(30 - 34) 1995 33 20.9
(35 - 39) can't find a time
(40 - 44) 2004 40 22.44
thanks in advance to for participating in this
I look forward to reading your replies
Ande
PS feel free to email them to me if you don't want to post them here
AndeRasmussen@aol.com
if you split the 400 IM correctly
it's not so bad
fly cruise it, save your legs, lots of air
back stay in control, fast turns, save your legs, lots of air, feel great at the 200
*** stay long and smooth, work your turns and push offs; feel good enough to do complete dolphin kick pull outs
free work it and bring it home as fast as you can; especially turn it on for the last 50, blast those legs and bring it home
Sounds all well and good but my breaststroke is bad enough I am going to need to make up for all time lost where I can - fly, back (esp) and free. I think my strategery for tomorrow is to follow ande's advice for the fly, and try to work the back so that I can try to catch the breaststrokers on the free leg. I am pretty decent at holding a good pace to finish off a long race.
College Swimming (ages 17-18)
(walk on in Division 3, no prior competitive swimming)
100 SCY BR: 1:15
200 SCY BR: 2:50-2:55
1000 SCY FR: NS
200 LCM FL: NS
Master's Swimming
50-54 Age Group
100 SCY BR: 1:13.95
200 SCY BR: 2:43.21
55-59 Age Group
100 SCY BR: 1:17.34
200 SCY BR: 2:49.10
1000 SCY FR: 14:08.50
200 LCM FL: 4:01.30
60-64 Age Group
100 SCY BR: 1:14.58
200 SCY BR: 2:43.63
1000 SCY FR: 13:36.60
200 LCM FL: 3:38.21
It may be worth noting that I was an overweight college student who wasn't very fit. Now, I'm an overweight master's swimmer who is in VERY good shape. Last year, I trained more than 600 hours...
-- mel
I was an age group swimmer and swam year around until I graduated from high school in 1985 as a seventeen year old. I did not get back in the pool until I was 35 years old. All times are short course yards.
50 free
15-18 years old 28.6
35-39 years old 31.2
100 free
15-18 years old 59.8
35-39 years old 1:09.40
200 free
15-18 years old 2:07
35-39 years old 2:27.0
500 free
15-18 years old 5:33.7
35-39 years old 6:30.7
100 ***
15-18 years old 1:16
35-39 years old 1:28.6
200 ***
15-18 years old 2:37.1
35-39 years old 3:11.5
No. It's going to take more than a couple examples to convince me that the back-*** super combo is not an anomoly. Even Jeff describes it as an "oddity." I'm sure you have more examples in that encyclopediac brain. :bow: I guess there's Tracey Caulkins off the top of my head. And I'm sure there are some elite IMers that are proficient at both like Katie Hoff. But, apart from the super elite, on this forum and in my own more limited swimming experience and observations, back and breaststroke just typically don't go together. (I know the Raz can do quadrathlons.) That's one reason we have a lot of breaststroke haters and backstroke haters on the forum. (Sorry, Allen, I know you don't like that "hate" word. I use it loosely.)
Leslie and Ande:
I can think of 3 USMS Swimmers that have set USMS National records in both strokes off the top of my head. They are Ron Johnson (recently documented in the current US Masters Swimmer magazine) Ron Karnaugh, and Karlyn Pipes-Nelison. I am sure there are other masters out there in the last 35 years that could be put on this list as well. I agree that its rare but not an impossibility. I also think there are more swimmers that make the USMS National Top Ten but are not necessarly record breakers in these combinations but are less than with other stroke combinations.
On the Swimming scene, yes its a rare and at the top levels you won't see it. You never going to get a person swimming like Brenden Hansen and Aaron Piersol as the same person. Same example, of say Natalie Coughlin and Amanda Beard. However, that does not mean that in some of these examples that these swimmers would be poor breastrokers. If I remember correctly, some years ago Natalie Coughlin made Olympic Trial cuts in both breastroke events and Amanda Beard cannot be that weak of a backstroker if she went a 2:11.70 in the 200 IM and got a silver medal.
I think our discussion was that its not an impossibilty but its probably rare compared to other stroke combinations. Ande mentioned Michael Phelps and his performance in the 100 *** against Hansen last week (52.81 vs 54.67) does not make him a poor breastroker. Ryan Lochte has gone 1:03 in the 100 LCM ***. Two people today that I can think of that have made National teams in the both strokes is Eric Shanteau and Kristen Caverly.
Other people from the past that have been very good at both strokes have been Bill Barrett and Steve Lundquist. They had to be to set American Records in the 200 IM. They might have been World class in *** but there back was good also like Jeff Cummings.
I can think of 3 USMS Swimmers that have set USMS National records in both strokes off the top of my head. They are Ron Johnson (recently documented in the current US Masters Swimmer magazine) Ron Karnaugh, and Karlyn Pipes-Nelison. I am sure there are other masters out there in the last 35 years that could be put on this list as well. I agree that its rare but not an impossibility. I also think there are more swimmers that make the USMS National Top Ten but are not necessarly record breakers in these combinations but are less than with other stroke combinations.
Karlyn doesn't count - She sets records in everything. :banana:
She's pretty cool, though :D
Leslie and Ande:
I can think of 3 USMS Swimmers that have set USMS National records in both strokes off the top of my head. They are Ron Johnson (recently documented in the current US Masters Swimmer magazine) Ron Karnaugh, and Karlyn Pipes-Nelison. I am sure there are other masters out there in the last 35 years that could be put on this list as well. I agree that its rare but not an impossibility. I also think there are more swimmers that make the USMS National Top Ten but are not necessarly record breakers in these combinations but are less than with other stroke combinations.
On the Swimming scene, yes its a rare and at the top levels you won't see it. You never going to get a person swimming like Brenden Hansen and Aaron Piersol as the same person. Same example, of say Natalie Coughlin and Amanda Beard. However, that does not mean that in some of these examples that these swimmers would be poor breastrokers. If I remember correctly, some years ago Natalie Coughlin made Olympic Trial cuts in both breastroke events and Amanda Beard cannot be that weak of a backstroker if she went a 2:11.70 in the 200 IM and got a silver medal.
I think our discussion was that its not an impossibilty but its probably rare compared to other stroke combinations. Ande mentioned Michael Phelps and his performance in the 100 *** against Hansen last week (52.81 vs 54.67) does not make him a poor breastroker. Ryan Lochte has gone 1:03 in the 100 LCM ***. Two people today that I can think of that have made National teams in the both strokes is Eric Shanteau and Kristen Caverly.
Other people from the past that have been very good at both strokes have been Bill Barrett and Steve Lundquist. They had to be to set American Records in the 200 IM. They might have been World class in *** but there back was good also like Jeff Cummings.
Eric and Kristen are both IMmers too ... or at least I think of both as IMers, maybe Eric more than Kristen. Phelps, is a freak of nature and the best IMer ever so that is not shocking. Natalie has made national cuts in every event, and Hoff made trials cuts in every event, too ... crazy talent!
No.... I hope to meet him soon to share our common oddity.
No. It's going to take more than a couple examples to convince me that the back-*** super combo is not an anomoly. Even Jeff describes it as an "oddity." I'm sure you have more examples in that encyclopediac brain. :bow: I guess there's Tracey Caulkins off the top of my head. And I'm sure there are some elite IMers that are proficient at both like Katie Hoff. But, apart from the super elite, on this forum and in my own more limited swimming experience and observations, back and breaststroke just typically don't go together. (I know the Raz can do quadrathlons.) That's one reason we have a lot of breaststroke haters and backstroke haters on the forum. (Sorry, Allen, I know you don't like that "hate" word. I use it loosely.)
