Stroke Rate vs Stroke Length, which is more difficult?
Former Member
This topic may have been discussed in the past but a search gave too many hits. I am very interested by your comment and advices for the following real scenario. This is for kids but may be this could apply to masters. BTW, I am just a parent swimmer, very interested in swimming in general but unfortunately not a good enough swimmer.
Two age group swimmers (11-12 years old) coming from different swimming history have opposite swimming style:
Swimmer 1 (let's call the higher stroke rate swimmer) swims 50 meters freestyle, taking 60 strokes. Swimmer2 does it in 45 strokes, with a time 0.5 to 1 second slower.
In general, Swimmer1 beats Swimmer2 in all distances (freestyle and back). Including a 2000 meter freestyle test set, faster by about 20 seconds. In this particular 2000m, aside the time and stroke rate, Swimmer2 (slower stroke rate) did it with even splits while Swimmer1 positive splits toward the last 25% of the distance.
Q1. Assuming two swimmers have similar aerobic conditions, which one will have better margin of progression? More exactly, would it be "easier" for Swimmer1 to improve the technique or for Swimmer2 to improve the Stroke Rate?
Q2. What would you recommend to these swimmers to get better?
To these two swimmers, stroke rate seems to be the winning bet. Swimmer2 was taught with a focus on excellent technique (and indeed looks better in the water), but is confused as this skill doesn't translate into better performance.
Of course, we are talking about SL and SR relative to a context where the swimmers already know about swimming.
Thanks you in advance for your help.
Donna has a good point, Oh Great Caped One. Where is this from?
"My sole pastime, my only sport, was the purest of all: swimming. It seems to me that I discover and recognize myself when I return to this universal element. My body becomes the direct instrument of my mind, the author of its ideas. To plunge into water, to move one's whole body, from head to toe, in its wild and graceful beauty; to twist about in its pure depths, this is for me a delight only comparable to love."
If Lindsay won't own up to it, then I think Terry wrote it. It's quite mindful.
If Lindsay won't own up to it,...
I'm an engineer, not a poet.
Would it be too big a clue to say he also said that swimming was 'fornication avec l'onde'?
I'm an engineer, not a poet.
Would it be too big a clue to say he also said that swimming was 'fornication avec l'onde'?
You're an engineer-poet-theorist-philosopher. Or something like that. Are you implying that Solar Energy is the author of this with your use of le francais? :yawn:
Like Lindsay NB said, anytime your arm takes a stroke, it is a count and it doesn't matter when this happens. The first stroke is the first stroke.
It matters not that the first stroke is even a half-stroke, a stroke is a stroke.
And I have been pondering all the questions and all the answers on this topic.
For ME, I have come to the conclusion that a higher stroke rate is more difficult than a lower stroke per length. It is the energy required to do so. So, as I continue to swim in my 60's, I will be a person with a lower stroke rate and somewhat medium speed; I don't have it in me anymore to try to combine the two except when I have to. But young'ens might. Except when I absolutely have to increase my stroke rate to get past a current in the ocean.
Donna
This is for kids but may be this could apply to masters. In the case of your example, I treat both case (adults vs kids) in a different way.
Two age group swimmers (11-12 years old) coming from different swimming history have opposite swimming style: At this age, I use the "golf" drill as well as some other stroke length drill.
But I definitely favor stroke rate over stroke length. Rhythm.
Not because they're more likely to win that way, but at this age, I put much more emphasis on sprint related work. And the name of this game at this age : rhythm.
Of course there are exceptions. Taller than usual swimmers, boys and girls, sometimes naturally develop a slow rhythm type of stroke. And I can live with that very well.
When they grow, swimmers (especially boys) loose a lot of this rythm. And when they are closer than their full grown size, then it's time to re-engineer the stroke.
At this age, I use the "golf" drill as well as some other stroke length drill.
But I definitely favor stroke rate over stroke length. Rhythm.
Not because they're more likely to win that way, but at this age, I put much more emphasis on sprint related work. And the name of this game at this age : rhythm.
Thank you very much for your advice. Now the relative standing between SR and SL is clearer to me.
From the post just above, should I assume that you are French or French Canadian?
Super cool. Je suis Francais, residant a Toronto.
Non c'est vrai? Je suis un voisin Québécois.
But I'm a Federalist. I was jumping fairly high for 15min in a row when Stephane Dion (our next Prime Minister) won.
Nice to meet you Zirconium !
Thank you very much for your advice. Now the relative standing between SR and SL is clearer to me.
From the post just above, should I assume that you are French or French Canadian?
Oui je suis Canadien Francais (sorry)
Et vous?
