In another thread I read that an unnamed USS coach was teaching using 2 dolphin kicks in breaststroke pullout,sneaking the first one in after the dive (like Kitajima did.) I had previously heard coaches teaching dolphin kick on the pullout before it was legal saying "I'll keep teaching it until they DQ it." What do you all think of this? I think the refs should watch for this and DQ the swimmers of course,but I think the coach should be flogged I don't care how many Olympians the might have trained.
In another thread I read that an unnamed USS coach was teaching using 2 dolphin kicks in breaststroke pullout,sneaking the first one in after the dive (like Kitajima did.) I had previously heard coaches teaching dolphin kick on the pullout before it was legal saying "I'll keep teaching it until they DQ it." What do you all think of this? I think the refs should watch for this and DQ the swimmers of course,but I think the coach should be flogged I don't care how many Olympians the might have trained.
It's not cheating if you don't get caught... :rofl:
Isn't one of the reasons children should participate in sports is to build character? At least that what I've always been told. The message a coach sends to their swimmers when he/she teaches them how to cheat is that it is okay to be dishonest so long as you don't get caught. So, no it isn't okay to teach a swimmer how to cheat. But, there can be grey areas when rules are not clear enough so a kick, pull, turn etc can be judged reliabily and validly. Thats why rules should be reviewed and changed.
Lainey
this thread reminds me of that movie "ladybugs" and "mighty ducks" where you have the good, pure team going against the vicious, cheating team.
I'm picturing a coach dressed all in black, standing on a starting block, leering over the kids, instructing them all the methods of cheating and how to win dirty. Sure would make some mean, conniving kids if all they think about is cheating to win.
what's the glory in that? i don't see how winning, knowing you cheated to do it, really constitues as winning. If you're not doing the same thing as another competitor, it's not even the same event.
In another thread I read that an unnamed USS coach was teaching using 2 dolphin kicks in breaststroke pullout,sneaking the first one in after the dive (like Kitajima did.)
First of all, just like everyone else said I think it's wrong for a coach to teach kids to cheat regardless of whether it's something the officials can see or not.
But I'm wondering if that kick right after entering the water is even a good idea? It seems like right when you enter the water is the point in the race when you're going the absolute fastest. Do you want to break your streamline to do a dolphin kick at that point? Perhaps these cheaters are unwittingly actually slowing themselves down?
I've seen some swimmers do a small dolphin at the beginning of the arm pull as well as one near the end. I don't think it's intentional but a part of the set-up for the arm pull (comments breaststrokers?). A lot of times it's missed by the turn official because of the surface turbulance and if the stroke judge on the side sees it he/she can't make the call because the swimmer is not yet in their jurisdiction.
Dear Fortress - No we live closer to Philly, but the team name Striker rings a bell though. I like the analogy of a drop off party, I will use that one! I like to email our team parents invitations to adult soccer leagues as a way to remind them there are always outlets for them to play in and I am always encouraging adults to join the Masters. I think that parents who still compete have an edge at remembering the pressure, the nervousness, the joy, the thrill and the disappointment that goes with competition. I am reminded often how it feels to work hard and still not see progress...another thread....
My daughter actually brought up the issue of cheating on the car ride to school today. She is 9 and is just beginning to develop the more abstract concepts of morality, she was pretty sure it was okay to cheat if someone's life was in danger but she couldnt come up with a situation. But anything less she thought was selfish.
Cheating is flat-out wrong - there's a reason for the rules.
On the other hand, butterfly now exists because someone bended the rules (but whether that was good or bad is still a subject of much debate).
