Freestyle Stroke Question

Firby wrote on the two wave theory. This is a person Terry mentioned and I had many a discussion with.

I agree with newmasterswimmer. And as one who started swimming just before turning 50, I welcome any and all advice. Something that works for me may not work for others and vice versa. So throw your ideas and advice out there. As far as these guys that don't agree with each other, if one doesn't agree with the advice or philosophy of the other they should start a new thread where they can discuss (or "dis") all they want.

I am against boredom. I like free advice. Everyone should be challenged. Being cult-like is boring. I wish I knew more about freestyle mechanics so I could chime in properly! No one should leave the thread. That's my :2cents: .

I have sided with him before on other issues. Newmastersswimmer Do it more often, it can be fun.

Geek: I agreed with you about evil triathletes and that evil sport called "soccer." I even confessed that, like you, I am quite positive that I am not always swimming "effortlessly."

As long as we're playing all nicey mcnice, except that moonshine drinkin' hillbilly from TN, let me admit that the best time I ever had in the 100 free was an undiagnosed case, until Terry diagnosed it inadvertently, of effortless swimming. That term definitely resonated with me. If only that feeling could be bottled. And, as much as it pains me to admit, I have learned a great deal about overall health and fitness from my triathlete training buddies. If it weren't for them I wouldn't have started three day a week dryland training this year. Before you assume I'm drunk, I still won't buy a heartrate monitor.

On a related topic I have a question that has been puzzling me for some time: the wave down the body ending in a whip of the legs theory would seem to me to predict that the kick occurring as the hands exit the water ought to be the stronger kick as it is the one that flows out of the whole body undulation. Any yet, if you watch video of a one-kick fly swimmer they just "drag their legs" for this kick and then do a more vigorous kick timed along with the hand entry. I see what you mean. It's an interesting aspect. It could be interpreted like a proof of Maglischo's position (reverse wave). That is the bf swimmers properly anchor the feet, then on this solid ground simply dive forward the same way we dive from the side of the pool, or push from the wall. But I find it may be an oversimplification of something a bit more complexe. Swimmers that are literally dragging their legs on the second kick show a great balance in doing so. And most important, that second kick occurs in the same time as the peak propulsion of the stroke. One would wonder about the importance of kicking hard when acheiving peak velocity anyway. And in some other cases, whilst (oups... where are we, in the US?) while some swimmers look as if there just dragging their feet, we don't know about the true efficiency of this kick, which's purpose should mostly be to keep the lowerbody at the surface anyway. I donno. More food for thoughts I guess. Thanks for this.

Nah, I'm not buying one of those stupid gadgets either. Nicey McNice

I have to say that I am really perplexed by Geek and Gull's constant complaining about this so called TI marketing onslaught they perceive from Terry's postings. This is a SWIMMING related forum isn't it? Terry has devoted himself to the study of swimming. I see absolutely nothing wrong with referencing his TI materials in his postings when he deems that it is directly relevant to the discussion at hand. In each of his postings where he makes a reference to TI, he carefully relates the reference directly to the relevant topic of discussion doesn't he??....b/c that is what his materials are all about. This is no different than what every other person who ever wrote a book or article on something does when they are also discussing a topic that is directly relevant to thier personal writings.....In fact I will go so far as to say that it is almost unavoidable for those people that find themselves in a similar position as Terry does here on this forum. I personally have never had any problems with it.... nor have I had any problems with the many other posters who do the exact same thing.....including George. Bottom Line: If someone has written on a subject that is being openly discussed, then it seems unreasonable to not be able to reference that written material when it is directly relevant to the discussion....So I just don't get these complaints? So Please do us all a favor Geek and Gull.....Stop the whining please! If you don't like the comments made by Terry then please go to a different thread. I hope I'm not going to get punished by the Mods now for speaking out like this??....I've tried to sit back and stay out of this, but I guess its just getting under my skin now and so I'm speaking out about it. I apologize to anyone I may be offending here. My Two Cents Worth, (Which is usually worth far less than 2 whole cents BTW!...LOL!) Newmastersswimmer

Newmastersswimmer I am changing my websites and will be changing everything around so when I refer anything on this site it will be directed to another website I am setting up www.georgepark.com so no one can say I am marketing here. I have I believe never tried to market but I do have a busines and is related to swimming.