The Steroid Hall Of Shame

I am completely against speculation on this subject. We should only be calling out people who have actually tested poisitive or have come forward and admitted using. The cheaters will always be ahead in this game which is very sad, but starting rumors and trying to guess who may used doesn't do anyone any good. I really do like the "team clean" concept, any athlete who doesn't want to be involved should be called out and questioned.

Pablo Smith: I agree with you 100%. There have been accusations that have never been proven and until they have been proven or admitted then we should not speculate. This is why this is such a hot issue. The other thing that's strange about this is what if a substance is banned today but wasn't years ago? Because the governing bodies were so slow to implement anything, no one will go back and do anything about it. And if they do, they will use the excuse that it was not on the banned lists of drugs for competition. Finding these cheaters is like trying to find a needle in the haystack and the only way to do that is burn the haystack and nobody wants to do that.

Barry Bonds has never tested positive for steroids, neither has Lance Armstrong. I'm going to be pilloried for this I suspect.

Geek and Gull: True, he has never been tested because of MLB lax attitude about it. Did you guys read the Sports Illustrated story that I linked on the steriods thread. Barry has a lot of explaining to do. There is so much evidence from so many people that its hard to believe that no wrong doing was done. Every day for the last week or so I have been hearing stories, testimonials by witnesses, and other accusations of Barry Bonds and his drug taking. In fact today on NPR, Frank DeFord, who is a well respected jounalist and writter blasted MLB and wants the press to have absolutely no celebration of him breaking the records of Ruth and Aaron. I think there will be a petition around the country for no celebration. I wonder what John Feinstein thinks about this. In fact, I had heard there was a conspiracy by MLB not to do anything because MLB was at an all time low in 1994 with the 232 day strike and when records were being broken it was bringing back people to the game. In fact, there is a book about this called Jucing the Game and it details all of the wrongdoing and how MLB was never going to do anything about it. It took Congressional pressure and WADA to get involved and get a policy for drug testing. In the meantime, the damage was done so to speak. Its not just Bonds, no one was ever tested for steriods and that is the fault of MLB. So true we can say that but do we really believe that everyone involved was 100% clean. What about Balco and the people associated with that? www.npr.org/.../story.php

Originally posted by Frank Thompson True, he has never been tested becase of MLB lax attitude about it. Did you guys read the Sport Illustrated story that I linked on the steriods thread. I wonder what John Feinstein thinks about this. Yes, I read the story in detail before you posted it. Pretty good reading. Doesn't change the fact that he's never tested positive. I'm not a fan of his, was just making a point. Feinstein went to dook so we can't trust a thing he says.

I think the preponderance of evidence is pretty damning for Barry Bonds. It's a shame, too, because he'd be an outstanding athlete without the roids. Actually you could argue steroids may hurt his career totals. He's missed a lot of playing time in the last few years due to injuries. Maybe he would have avoided some of those if his body wasn't so out of whack.

Originally posted by TheGoodSmith There were many names on the list of clients from Conte going back years. I believe I heard that even Matt Biondi's name was on it. Has there ever been information released regarding what types of supplements were sold to each individual? John Smith Wow. Does this go back that far. I know Matt retired in April of 1993 and had his last race at the 1992 Olympics. I thought the Balco stuff didn't materialize until the mid 1990's. So if this is true that means a lot of people going back 14 years ago may have been associated with this. The only names I heard that have not been mentioned hear have been Misty Hyman, Jenny Thompson, and possibly some of the Stanford teams. Then again, nothing was ever proven and no one that I know of failed a drug test because of using Balco products. Then again Balco products were not on the banned lists so who knows? Maybe only Victor Conte and his associates? Of course could we really rely on them to tell the truth? Probably not.

Originally posted by Frank Thompson Maybe only Victor Conte and his associates? Of course could we really rely on them to tell the truth? Probably not. I can't follow you Frank. In the other thread you ask us to rely on Romonowski for truth about steroids but here tell us not to trust Conte.

Geek: Bill Romonski admits that he used. Conte and his associates named a lot of people including swimmers that never were proven to be connected with anything to do with Balco. During the 2004 Olympics, Dan Hicks who does the commentary with Rowdy Gaines said there was a story circulating around Athens about people that used Balco products. He named the swimmers I mentioned and I have that on tape from TV and will find who the guy was at Balco. It was not Victor Conte. I am not saying everything that Romonowski says is the truth in his tell all book. Now Romonowski says that he is not doing the book for money, and that he is successful doing movies. Bill was in the new remake "The Longest Yard" and "Benchwarmers" among other things.

The whole world of steroids is seedy, to be sure. Bonds is a grotesque bloated buffoon now. All signs definitely point to him being doped up. His head would even fit Smith's ego in it, with room to spare for Cruise's. I don't trust Romo as far as he could throw me. He's a nut and probably radioactive from all that EAS stuff he put into his body. Plus, he spit in the face of a black opponent a few years back. I don't put any faith in what these people say, most of it is self promotion intended to secure more kwans for themselves.