Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible!

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I am slow, and when I mean slow, I mean slow. I can do a 26 sec 50 with fins, but without I come in just under 1:20! I think a big part of it is just taking the fins off and doing a lot of kick sets to learn to feel the water better with my feet. I have a good breaststroke kick so I don't think my problem is an overly weak pair of legs, although they could be in better shape. Also, myankles are fairly flexible as I can point my toes and make my feet bend backwards past an even position with my shins. However, I do think that I need to loosen up my ankles when I kick. I feel like I get more out of my kick for those brief moments when I allow my ankles to snap back and forth with my kick. I think I actually need to relax more to kick faster as weird as that sounds. I suppose the answer to my question is that I simply need to take of the fins and do kick set after kick set until I learn to feel the water better with my feet and become more efficient.
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 17 years ago
    no do NOT kick with your legs perfectly straight when flutter kicking, in one part of the kick cycle there is a slight knee bend here's my attempt of describing what happens with one leg during a flutter kick cycle the upper leg goes down from the hip (slightly) and the knee bends up (slightly) then the upper leg reverses direction as lower leg fully extends downward then quickly pops back up for the next kick (the other leg is doing the opposite, toes should be pointed, but you're not straining to hold the point, it's just set in point position) your legs should be relaxed, and moving up and down rapidly you should feel water pressure on the top of your foot and your shins. (it's way better to watch and copy a good kicker than to follow this) work on improving feel for the water with your feet improve your distance per kick count how many kicks it takes you to kick a 25 the more flexible your feet and ankles are the better kicker you are likely to be, it helps to have big floppy feet. you can also do the "slap tap kick drill" to improve your kicking speed you do it by kicking with your feet out of the water, as soon as you feel your foot hit the water immediately reverse it you do this in 5 or 10 second bursts attempting to move your feet as fast you can hope this helps ande Just came back from pool and experimented the flutter kick. Not sure if I did it correctly. It seemed quite hard to integrate a six beat into my swimming. When I just did the kicks, I can kick quite quickly and move forward. But it was another story when I tried to incorporate my kicks into my freestyle swimming. I think what I did was at most a four beat kick, not kicking quick enough. Need more practise. Another thing is, should my foot completely kick out of water surface, or just the heels slightly break the surface, or completely submerge in the water while swimming? My feeling was that: 1, if my foot completely kicks out of water surface, I need to exert very large force to keep my foot out of surface. 2, if my foot completely submerge in the water, I feel very strong water resistance force, which requires me to kick very hard to maintain the beat. In either way, I was forced to kick very hard and become fatigue very soon. 3, several times I felt relatively easy and comfort. I did not know if it was because my heels just slightly broke the surface( I cannot see them when I swam). Two possible reasons I can think of are: a, I did not kick deep enough as Muppet suggested. The water resistance therefore was less. b, I did kick deep enough. But my heels were out of water, which reduced the water resistance. Any thoughts?
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  • Former Member
    Former Member over 17 years ago
    no do NOT kick with your legs perfectly straight when flutter kicking, in one part of the kick cycle there is a slight knee bend here's my attempt of describing what happens with one leg during a flutter kick cycle the upper leg goes down from the hip (slightly) and the knee bends up (slightly) then the upper leg reverses direction as lower leg fully extends downward then quickly pops back up for the next kick (the other leg is doing the opposite, toes should be pointed, but you're not straining to hold the point, it's just set in point position) your legs should be relaxed, and moving up and down rapidly you should feel water pressure on the top of your foot and your shins. (it's way better to watch and copy a good kicker than to follow this) work on improving feel for the water with your feet improve your distance per kick count how many kicks it takes you to kick a 25 the more flexible your feet and ankles are the better kicker you are likely to be, it helps to have big floppy feet. you can also do the "slap tap kick drill" to improve your kicking speed you do it by kicking with your feet out of the water, as soon as you feel your foot hit the water immediately reverse it you do this in 5 or 10 second bursts attempting to move your feet as fast you can hope this helps ande Just came back from pool and experimented the flutter kick. Not sure if I did it correctly. It seemed quite hard to integrate a six beat into my swimming. When I just did the kicks, I can kick quite quickly and move forward. But it was another story when I tried to incorporate my kicks into my freestyle swimming. I think what I did was at most a four beat kick, not kicking quick enough. Need more practise. Another thing is, should my foot completely kick out of water surface, or just the heels slightly break the surface, or completely submerge in the water while swimming? My feeling was that: 1, if my foot completely kicks out of water surface, I need to exert very large force to keep my foot out of surface. 2, if my foot completely submerge in the water, I feel very strong water resistance force, which requires me to kick very hard to maintain the beat. In either way, I was forced to kick very hard and become fatigue very soon. 3, several times I felt relatively easy and comfort. I did not know if it was because my heels just slightly broke the surface( I cannot see them when I swam). Two possible reasons I can think of are: a, I did not kick deep enough as Muppet suggested. The water resistance therefore was less. b, I did kick deep enough. But my heels were out of water, which reduced the water resistance. Any thoughts?
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