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My new sport - track swimmer ... just like track cycling - they stay faster MUCH longer than us swimmers - WHY ???

Erik Hochstein

This is part of my Sprint Journey mission - I have looked into running to see how they train - but then also into a sport where you do not carry your own weight and see how they train and compete and how they compete at an older age - my conclusion -  almost all SWIMMERS train like road cyclists -- or open water swimmers - when we should all train like track cyclists if we compete in "track swimming" as in a pool !! My proof - and yes there are differences in what you need to stay "fast" for swimming vs cycling but the times these folks post are mind numbing for us swimmers !!

Sprint record - 10sec event  65y old is 1.2s slower than 30-50 year olds which btw all have same record - a 50y old is same speed as a 30y old !!!

500m time trial - similar to 75 Free - they lower the distance as people age which I am sure people think is st....d  - but 40y old record is 32,9 vs 60 year is 33.9 --- only 1 second slower !!!

1hr time trial - big event - no difference between age 30 and 50 !!!

Link to records NOT a trick or spam link :) 

https://assets.ctfassets.net/761l7gh5x5an/1oje3ZC4hM2yxZAPSC7iSC/76c9154f86a0abd7c190d7cd51aa63a5/20230202_Masters_Best_Performances_Men.pdf

Another obvious thing - almost all them records are set within last 5 years for cycling .... I think I know the main reason but lets see what others think too ...

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  • Maybe it’s just me, but I find your post confusing and difficult to understand. I’m not quite sure what you’re getting at. It appears that you’re pointing out that if you train to go short and fast (i.e. sprint)…you’ll be a better sprinter (and presumably have less endurance). If you train to go long and slow…you’ll have more endurance, and be faster at long events. That’s not recent news. — Dan

  • in reply to ForceDJ

    Well - totally my view and opinion -- but my point is that ALL swimmers ONLY train endurance in some form - SPEED is vastly undervalued and never properly trained.... , and has not been trained in the correct way EVER. And not using speed makes us slower - and not using strength and power to a max makes us all age "faster" - we need to maintain our maximum abilities for as long as possible and the traditional way of swim training is like training for different types of marathons -- I trained for Ultra - Ultramarathons in college swimming at USC - and now Masters training is just marathon training ... it slows us down way too much ...and I am out to prove my point :) ... we shall see 

  • in reply to Erik Hochstein

    I totally agree with your philosophy, but you overstate “everyone”. With HIIT and USRPT some swimmers are doing speed work ( though USRPT is a special case and not exactly what you mean.) I have talked to Rich Abrahams, who broke 50 sec for 100 free at age 65, and he is doing true speed work. He famously said “ most masters swimmers swim too slow when they should be going fast and too fast when they should be going slow”.  I think the last part of that refers to true recovery swims. 

  • in reply to Allen Stark

    NICE - that gave me chills and his records are on my "list"  :) 

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