Originally posted by Ion Beza
Simply I know the rankings and spoke to the swimmers.
Once again when pressed you fail your own test, Ion. Another point of yours quickly and easily disproven unless you have spoken to more than of all the swimmers since your claim was the MAJORITY of lifelong swimmers.
USMS has 35K swimmers, give or take, so that means you have spoken to over 17K of them and know their rankings, according to your own assertions. That's rather UN-believable and UN-imaginable.
Also, USMS doesn't rank all swimmers, just the top ten. So, if you aren't in the top 10, which ranking system are you referencing?
Get your story straight!
As posted earlier, VO2max is the maximum amount of oxygen consumed, a function of oxygen delivery (to the muscles) and oxygen utilization (by the muscles). It is believed to correlate with athletic performance. Perhaps more important is
%VO2max, the percentage of VO2max you can maintain for some duration (say 20 min.). There is data that VO2max is sport-specific.
I emphasize Craig's post:
Originally posted by gull80
As posted earlier, VO2max is the maximum amount of oxygen consumed, a function of oxygen delivery (to the muscles) and oxygen utilization (by the muscles). It is believed to correlate with athletic performance. Perhaps more important is
%VO2max, the percentage of VO2max you can maintain for some duration (say 20 min.). There is data that VO2max is sport-specific.
Craig is a medical doctor.
We know that many of the adaptations to exercise are lost when training stops. This begins within a few weeks, and it may take some time to regain what was lost. I'm not sure I understand physiologically how former collegiate swimmers are able to benefit from training that took place twenty years earlier. I don't believe it all comes down to technique.
By the way, an autopsy requires a dead swimmer. I suspect there are some who would "volunteer" Ion.
Shannon - VO2 Max is a performancing enhancing Shampoo. Tom Ellison started a very lively debate about about the effects in the thread "Here's a strange question."
Of course, the performance enhancing ability of the shampoo is limited - unless you started using the shampoo between the ages of 9 and 13.
Food for unthought.
Michael
Mark, I remember when this:
Originally posted by mattson
See, in my experience, I can get a good anchor on the water. I find "VO2Max is the key" to be pseudo-science. Should I start insulting you, telling you how simple-minded you are? :D (Have you done any crew? Once the boat is up to speed, the oars do more "anchoring" than moving water backwards.)
was claimed by you and I said that there is no hard measurements to it.
In contrast to your sentiment about anchoring in water without touching ground (which any boat materially cannot do) see Craig's last post that corroborates the fact that hard measurements do approach my theory.
Originally posted by aquageek
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You finally now state this is your theory alone.
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'finally'?
Msparks asked me from the onset of the VO2Max thread that was deleted what's the base for my theory (after I stated that an age-group swimmer develops -say- 18 blood vessels that allow oxygen into the triceps and a late bloomer develops 5) and from the onset I said that it is my theory.
Also old dog took note that I said from the onset that it is my theory.
See how bogus you are?
Ion - answer the question. What ranking system are you referring to? And, since you aren't in the top 10 in USMS, by default you are not faster than the majority. Another lost argument by Beza. Have you spoken with all top 10s? How many east coast meets have you been to to talk to these people
As a laborer in the high tech industry, or so you alledge, may I propose a spreadsheet that you can create to keep your stories straight. Here are the columns to populate:
A - Story I told
B - Date
C - Factual support of my story - set to NULL
D - Who believed it - default to Ion Beza only. Lock cells, no other entries will be needed.
E - Who disproved it - allow for multiple entries, consider adding columns if you exceed cell maximum.
F - Date I changed my story and what I changed it to
G - Who believed the second story - copy column D
H - Number of backtracks I made when confronted with facts - allow for large decimals or consider infinity as an option
Craig,
you are confused:
Originally posted by gull80
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By the way, an autopsy requires a dead swimmer. I suspect there are some who would "volunteer" Ion.
I wrote 'biopsy' not 'autopsy'.
I also emphasize this:
Originally posted by gull80
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I'm not sure I understand physiologically how former collegiate swimmers are able to benefit from training that took place twenty years earlier. I don't believe it all comes down to technique.
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The italics are mine, to emphasize that in USMS, 'technique' is a big cliche to suit people who don't want to train.
Mark,
Originally posted by mattson
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...because the idea is intriguing on a theoretical level, is not hard evidence that it is true.
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re-read this:
Originally posted by Ion Beza
Like I pointed out in the thread on VO2Max that was deleted, the data that "the key in swimming is VO2Max" doesn't exist, it's my theory based on empirical data that approaches but not quite touches my claim.
The theory is consistent with facts like:
.) the window for best aerobic development in one's life is 13-19 for boys;
.) the three more cardio-vascular sports are in order -from highest down-, cross country skiing, swimming, marathon running;
.) swimmers at the Olympic level, even sprinters, do overdistance training for developing their cardiovascular shape;
(in 1976 sprinter John Naber (U.S.) did it, in 2004 sprinter Alex Popov (Rus.) does it, and in 2004 sprinter Pieter van den Hoogenband (Ned.) -ranked in in the 20s in the world in 400 free last year- does it in order to swim a 48.96 in 100 meter free a few days ago.)
.) the percentage that one gets from VO2Max in a sport is sports specific, with such an example as one triathlete being able to score in VO2Max 75 when running -thus physiologically running well- and 52 when swimming -and physiologically couldn't swim equally well-.
In this thread, gull did agree that this is possible.
I run my theory by a sports medicine doctor a few days ago and he thinks that this is possible providing that biopsies on athletes' muscles show that the muscles developed in that sport have cells with a greater absorption of oxygen developed during a certain age span.
Focus on the data that I am talking about here:
"...it's my theory based on empirical data that approaches but not quite touches my claim...".
I don't think that you get any data at all for anchoring in deep water without touching ground.
