rule on records

Hypothetical question: can a hypothetical French citizen set hypothetical national records swimming for a hypothetical American team?
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  • No Chris does not. All of these statements are true what you are missing is if the athlete is USMS Registered. Foreign swimmers are swimmers that are registered with a FINA Member Federation and not with USMS. Because FINA and USMS have no restrictions on having to register for only one FINA Federation, you could not exclude a USMS member from 104.5.4 (2) because as a member of USMS, they are entitled to everything that a USMS member is entitled to. I am not sure if Nicolas Granger has a dual affiliation but if he does and represents his registered USMS Club, which is Rose Bowl and not the Foreign Registered Club, then he is entitled to everything that you as a USMS member are entitled to. That rule that you are quoting from is for Foreign swimmers registered with there foreign FINA Member Federation and representing that Club. An example is if Nicolas Granger registered for the Nationals under his French FINA Member Federation Club, then yes this rule that you quote would be true but he didn't so this rule would not be enforceable and would be false. As you bring this up, this points to another problem with keeping track of athlete registrations. There is no rule in the World that's enforced by FINA or any of the FINA Member Federations that states you can only be registered for one nation and represent that one nation in the Masters swimming rules. In FINA Swimming this is enforced and you are not allowed to represent more than one FINA Member Federation and you must be a citizen of the country you are representing. They enforce this and it just cannot be done like it is in Masters Swimming. There is no World Data Base of Masters swimmers in the world so you couldn't even enforce this if you tried. Masters Swimming is live and let live and you basically can do anything you want as far as registration for multiple countries. You could represent any of the multiple counties you wanted at any meet and be eligible for the records in that country because you represented that countries club in the countries competition either in a Nationals or a local meet. So this rule or lack of would have to change and that would require a FINA Rule change at the FINA Masters Congress. If there is not excellent rational for changing any FINA rule, then I have been told it would be like running into a brick wall and you would be wasting your time and effort to try to change this.
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  • No Chris does not. All of these statements are true what you are missing is if the athlete is USMS Registered. Foreign swimmers are swimmers that are registered with a FINA Member Federation and not with USMS. Because FINA and USMS have no restrictions on having to register for only one FINA Federation, you could not exclude a USMS member from 104.5.4 (2) because as a member of USMS, they are entitled to everything that a USMS member is entitled to. I am not sure if Nicolas Granger has a dual affiliation but if he does and represents his registered USMS Club, which is Rose Bowl and not the Foreign Registered Club, then he is entitled to everything that you as a USMS member are entitled to. That rule that you are quoting from is for Foreign swimmers registered with there foreign FINA Member Federation and representing that Club. An example is if Nicolas Granger registered for the Nationals under his French FINA Member Federation Club, then yes this rule that you quote would be true but he didn't so this rule would not be enforceable and would be false. As you bring this up, this points to another problem with keeping track of athlete registrations. There is no rule in the World that's enforced by FINA or any of the FINA Member Federations that states you can only be registered for one nation and represent that one nation in the Masters swimming rules. In FINA Swimming this is enforced and you are not allowed to represent more than one FINA Member Federation and you must be a citizen of the country you are representing. They enforce this and it just cannot be done like it is in Masters Swimming. There is no World Data Base of Masters swimmers in the world so you couldn't even enforce this if you tried. Masters Swimming is live and let live and you basically can do anything you want as far as registration for multiple countries. You could represent any of the multiple counties you wanted at any meet and be eligible for the records in that country because you represented that countries club in the countries competition either in a Nationals or a local meet. So this rule or lack of would have to change and that would require a FINA Rule change at the FINA Masters Congress. If there is not excellent rational for changing any FINA rule, then I have been told it would be like running into a brick wall and you would be wasting your time and effort to try to change this.
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