Starts/Flip Turns = how much time saved on a 50y free/ 50 br
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So far I have yet to do a race pace 50y fr/50y br off the blocks or using flip turns for the fr. I am able to do repeats at 33-35 on fr fairly easily from push off and an open turn. What should I be looking at for a full out 50y with all the bells and whistles?
I guess my real question is how much time does the start and the flip turn save you?
I do practice my flip turns separate from my repeats. I have also begun doing them on select repeats especially when I do 75's. thanks to u mentioning I should. The first time I did them on a repeat I abut drowned as I pushed off too deep and my breathing was way off!
sorry for your confusion regarding what I meant by 50y repeats at 33-35. I'm used to track nomenclature. Ie. do 10x200 at 30 sec. W 1m rest. I am New to real competitive swimming.
I just started doing flip turns last fall; flips in isolation versus flips at normal speed versus flips at sprint speed... they're all different animals. One thing I found helped me get ready for the flip turn in the context of a meet was to do hard 25, flip, cruise 25; even practice it going off the blocks for the first 25... that way you'll have a good idea of what it feels like coming into that first wall in your first meet, because that's a whole different feeling and you don't want to be bouncing off the bottom (do what I say, not what I did! ha, ha).
And Backstroke flip turns are a blast... search for some video on those on youtube or google video; it's essentially the same turn: about two strokes from the wall take your final back stroke, roll to front extending arm toward the wall, pull and flip just as you would for freestyle.
I would love to be able to do the workouts you do McNair... those are some impressive distances you are putting up.
Well, days like today I'd trade some of that endurance for a few more fast-twitch muscle fibers...
So last night I couldn't sleep... its only 5 days till my meet and i'm already dreaming every night about it. While I was up I was looking over times from a few meets. The one I'm doing this weekend and the state meet for IL last year. What I noticed is that every first 50 is almost 1.5-3 seconds faster than the next splits. I assume this is related to starting off the blocks vs flip turns etc? That being said would one be able to assume they can easily save 1.5-2 seconds then when starting from the blocks vs in the water and a push off?
Depends on how clean your entry is and a few other factors, but my block start gives me easily 2-3 secs advantage in the first 50, if not 3-5 secs... fast 50s for me in practice are 35-36 secs from push off, but 31-32 off the blocks; I'm a slow twitch guy, so that makes a difference I'm sure (i.e., taking longer to get up to speed off a push start).
So last night I couldn't sleep... its only 5 days till my meet and i'm already dreaming every night about it. While I was up I was looking over times from a few meets. The one I'm doing this weekend and the state meet for IL last year. What I noticed is that every first 50 is almost 1.5-3 seconds faster than the next splits. I assume this is related to starting off the blocks vs flip turns etc? That being said would one be able to assume they can easily save 1.5-2 seconds then when starting from the blocks vs in the water and a push off?