This thread is in response to Jim Thorton's thread about his AA time being disallowed.I think that if a swimmer swims in a USMS sanctioned meet and that the time gets to the "official" Top Ten list that it should count.Otherwise one could go back and check the length of ,say the Amarillo pool from the first Masters Nationals and if it was 1 cm short disallow the swims.There must be a statute of limitations and I think it should be when the official TT times are posted.
First, you are mistaken to equate FINA and USMS. FINA is a worldwide governing organization for all aquatic sports, USMS is only a national governing body, not directly recognized by FINA. USMS, as well as all other American aquatic sports, is represented by United States Aquatic Sports, the only national body that represents USA to FINA.
Second, USMS believes that there is no difference in importance or value to records or top ten times, and further believes it would be disingenuous to allow faulty records for either. USMS pool measurement records are more stringent than USA Swimming because we want them that way and can afford to demand it of ourselves. No other reason. The reason we got that way is a funny observation, but not germane to this issue.
I can understand why Jim is upset at losing his AA, but it is definitely not because of a byzantine or nefarious system rigged to thwart his sublime and gravid greatness. It is a system designed by his peers to assiduously and sometimes eventually exact all of the records of USMS.
The point is that since swimming is an international sport, USMS should be on the same page as the other governing bodies which it is not currently. You wrote that USMS does not "believe" that WR's are of greater importance to swimming than a single Top 10 time; that is your opinion, not the "belief" of the USMS membership, or for that matter the belief of USMS, which as an organization has rules, not "beliefs". Jim's time is valid and according to the poll most members feel it should not be stricken.:canada:
First, you are mistaken to equate FINA and USMS. FINA is a worldwide governing organization for all aquatic sports, USMS is only a national governing body, not directly recognized by FINA. USMS, as well as all other American aquatic sports, is represented by United States Aquatic Sports, the only national body that represents USA to FINA.
Second, USMS believes that there is no difference in importance or value to records or top ten times, and further believes it would be disingenuous to allow faulty records for either. USMS pool measurement records are more stringent than USA Swimming because we want them that way and can afford to demand it of ourselves. No other reason. The reason we got that way is a funny observation, but not germane to this issue.
I can understand why Jim is upset at losing his AA, but it is definitely not because of a byzantine or nefarious system rigged to thwart his sublime and gravid greatness. It is a system designed by his peers to assiduously and sometimes eventually exact all of the records of USMS.
The point is that since swimming is an international sport, USMS should be on the same page as the other governing bodies which it is not currently. You wrote that USMS does not "believe" that WR's are of greater importance to swimming than a single Top 10 time; that is your opinion, not the "belief" of the USMS membership, or for that matter the belief of USMS, which as an organization has rules, not "beliefs". Jim's time is valid and according to the poll most members feel it should not be stricken.:canada:
