This thread is in response to Jim Thorton's thread about his AA time being disallowed.I think that if a swimmer swims in a USMS sanctioned meet and that the time gets to the "official" Top Ten list that it should count.Otherwise one could go back and check the length of ,say the Amarillo pool from the first Masters Nationals and if it was 1 cm short disallow the swims.There must be a statute of limitations and I think it should be when the official TT times are posted.
This thread is in response to Jim Thorton's thread about his AA time being disallowed.I think that if a swimmer swims in a USMS sanctioned meet and that the time gets to the "official" Top Ten list that it should count.Otherwise one could go back and check the length of ,say the Amarillo pool from the first Masters Nationals and if it was 1 cm short disallow the swims.There must be a statute of limitations and I think it should be when the official TT times are posted.
:applaud:I will never be in a position for this sort of thing to happen to me (unless I outlive my competition ), but I completely agree with you. You, Jim, Fort, and others, have my sympathy; it really stinks! :bitching: :bighug:
:applaud:I will never be in a position for this sort of thing to happen to me (unless I outlive my competition ), but I completely agree with you. You, Jim, Fort, and others, have my sympathy; it really stinks! :bitching: :bighug:I too, hope that someday I could be in a position to have this happen to me. But for the record, Jim is still the 2012 #1 man in swimmings premier event for 60 - 64, even with a 5" adjustment - 101.54. He still won it with 2 more feet to spare.
After the top ten, AA, have been deemed final, then NO, the rankings should not be changed. Jimbo has gotten a royal screwing by usms in this case. If the pool issue wasn't addressed during the period where challenges or changes could be addressed, then it shouldn't addressed after the final rankings are published.
Jimbo, you are still the #1 100 freestyle in my book, regardless of the screwing you have been given after the fact.
Seems a little ironic that one can admit to cheating in an Olympic race and still walk away with a gold medal (Cameron Van Der Burgh), yet a pool measurement mistake can be used to strip one of their USMS Top 10 time.
I just discovered this thread and want to thank Allen and all the kind posters! From what I have heard through the rumor mill, USMS has recently discovered a number of cases where people have changed their ages so as to do better in the TT rankings. This became possible after collating all the TT in a single data base, which made it easy to determine that if swimmer X, who made the TT at age, say, 27, makes it again 30 years later at age 60, something fishy is going on. In cases of outright fraud, I do think the malefactor should have his or her time yanked, though a person pathetic enough to do this probably is being punished by life already. Perhaps a better solution to TT horror stories is for USMS to withhold its sanction until a potential meet director submits everything necessary before he/she can even post the meet info. Check my modest proposal out on the other thread. And thanks, sincerely, to everyone for your kindness!
Seems a little ironic that one can admit to cheating in an Olympic race and still walk away with a gold medal (Cameron Van Der Burgh), yet a pool measurement mistake can be used to strip one of their USMS Top 10 time.
+1 to that.
I "abstain courteously", to the poll.
I just discovered this thread and want to thank Allen and all the kind posters! From what I have heard through the rumor mill, USMS has recently discovered a number of cases where people have changed their ages so as to do better in the TT rankings.
Wow, some people must take this pretty seriously. Some time back I heard a story about a guy I swam with in college getting caught in a motor vehicle assisted run during a triathlon. I guess I just don’t understand what you would get out of doing that.
Wow, some people must take this pretty seriously. Some time back I heard a story about a guy I swam with in college getting caught in a motor vehicle assisted run during a triathlon. I guess I just don’t understand what you would get out of doing that.
Motor vehicle assisted run? Or vehicle drafting on the bike leg, which can be either deliberate or genuinely accidental (eg in ITU races draft zone around vehicles is 35m x 5m; if a technical official sees you riding at 34.5m you get a penalty). A couple of people in my club have been DQ for non-deliberate drafting that they weren't even aware of doing at the time (they were DQ for drafting off other racers, but I'm sure others have been done for vehicle drafting in the same sort of way)
