When is it OK to disallow swims

I can only say that it appears that a majority of USMS members disagree with you on that score. ... But I will tell you: if the House of Delegates decide that measurements aren't needed for TT then Records & Tabulation will certainly adhere to the "will of the people." What we're not going to do is ignore rules that we don't like or that are difficult to implement. As a quick follow-up. USMS could always decide to go the route of FINA: pool certification is required for records but not TT, and no bulkhead measurements are ever required. Strictly from an implementation standpoint this is a pretty workable system. It also solves my concern about missing records because it turns out that certification can happen after the fact. I wasn't involved when the HOD decided to adopt the current system so I don't know what discussions/debates took place. Like I said, my personal experiences are that our current rules reflect the "will of the people" but I also don't necessarily get a representative sampling of our membership. Maybe people are willing to revisit the issue after years of implementation. I know that Records and Tabulation is happy with our current rules because I asked last year, so any different proposal will have to come from another source. But if people here want something else then propose a concrete alternative. Like I said, one of R&T's jobs is to try to manage the system to best implement the current rules and if you think the HOD wants something else then "campaign" for it. Healthy discussion on the subject is good. As a footnote: I know that USMS has submitted a proposal that FINA adopt USMS' standards, not the other way around in which case those standards would apply internationally as well as domestically. Of course FINA might not agree to adopt them, it wouldn't be the first time that FINA didn't listen to a USMS proposal (USMS' proposal on tech suits was less strict than the one FINA eventually adopted for masters).

I can only say that it appears that a majority of USMS members disagree with you on that score. ... But I will tell you: if the House of Delegates decide that measurements aren't needed for TT then Records & Tabulation will certainly adhere to the "will of the people." What we're not going to do is ignore rules that we don't like or that are difficult to implement. As a quick follow-up. USMS could always decide to go the route of FINA: pool certification is required for records but not TT, and no bulkhead measurements are ever required. Strictly from an implementation standpoint this is a pretty workable system. It also solves my concern about missing records because it turns out that certification can happen after the fact. I wasn't involved when the HOD decided to adopt the current system so I don't know what discussions/debates took place. Like I said, my personal experiences are that our current rules reflect the "will of the people" but I also don't necessarily get a representative sampling of our membership. Maybe people are willing to revisit the issue after years of implementation. I know that Records and Tabulation is happy with our current rules because I asked last year, so any different proposal will have to come from another source. But if people here want something else then propose a concrete alternative. Like I said, one of R&T's jobs is to try to manage the system to best implement the current rules and if you think the HOD wants something else then "campaign" for it. Healthy discussion on the subject is good. As a footnote: I know that USMS has submitted a proposal that FINA adopt USMS' standards, not the other way around in which case those standards would apply internationally as well as domestically. Of course FINA might not agree to adopt them, it wouldn't be the first time that FINA didn't listen to a USMS proposal (USMS' proposal on tech suits was less strict than the one FINA eventually adopted for masters).