USA Swimming Grand Prix Series

Kathy may correct me, but MGR 1 The Members shall register Masters competitors in a special category for each of the five recognised disciplines. A competitor who registers for Masters in any discipline will still retain his/her unrestricted right to compete in other competitions. MGR 2 Except for specific exceptions in the FINA Rules and regulations all other FINA Rules and Regulations shall apply to Masters Competitions. and MSW 5.3 World Records can only be established in a Masters meet: a) formally sanctioned by a FINA Member Federation; and b) organised for on behalf of a club or an organisation, which is a member of this FINA Member Federation or recognised by FINA; and c) conducted under the rules of FINA (and specially those relevant to Masters Swimming); and d) in which only swimmers registered in a club member of a FINA Member Federation participated. how i read this, yes you must enter as a masters swimmer. I don't think you can enter this meet as a masters swimmer. My take is that this meet is sanctioned as a USA Swimming meet and you must be a member of that organization to swim in this meet. The question I would have is a lot of Masters Clubs are not registered as USA Swimming Clubs and you must be a member of a USA Swimming Club or swim Unattached registered through USA Swimming to swim in the meet. All of the registered masters swimmers in this meet are registered as swimmers from there USA Swimming Clubs. What is interesting is that 2 of the swimmers that set records yesterday and today swim for the Olympic Club as there masters Club and will represent that Club next week in Santa Clara but in this meet they are swimming for their USA Club which is Cal Aquatics. Olympic Club is a registered USA Swimming Club but I am not sure if this meets the requirement as a Club member as described in D of MSW 5.3 of FINA Rules. When I think of a dual sanction with USA Swimming, I think that the swimmer is a member of both organizations and he is swimming as a USA Swimming member but would like his times to count for World Records because they are USMS registered masters swimmers. Top Ten and National Records already count because we automatically recognize those events. This last statement is assuming that all of the pool measurements, timing heat sheet/timing system printout, referee signature, and proof of swimmers age are complete. World Records might be different because of the club representation. I noticed in the "Application for a USMS/World Record that new language has been added that states: "If this is a World Record then I certify that this Masters meet has fulfilled the FINA Rule MSW 5.3 requirements." On the old application the only information that was required was your individual USMS Number and the sanction number for the masters meet. From all this I am not sure if these swims will be certified as Masters World Records. This is the first high level USA Swimming meet that I have ever seen dual sanctioned. All of the others were recognized and swimmers could get National Records but never World Records. This will be very interesting to see how this plays out because a lot of these same swimmers will be swimming next week in our USMS National meet and there will be no problem with records. I have noticed that some of the swims yesterday would have been World Records but not National Records because they are faster from the USA Recognized meets that USMS certified as National Records. Both Ervin and Townsend went faster than the World Record at 50.84 but slower than Nick Brunelli's 49.63 National Record in the 100 meter free. Tonight the oldest USMS/World Record that has ever existed could be broken tonight if FINA determines that you can set World Records in this dual sanctioned meet. Kevin Deforrest swam a 22.59 in the 50 Free in the 25-29 age group in August of 1983 over 30 years ago and I believe Nathan Adrian will get it. Ervin tied that record today but he is in the 30-34 age group and that his record is significantly harder at 22.13 by Roland Schoeman. When Kevin Deforrest swam that swim it was only better by one swimmer in the world and that was Robin Leamy.

Kathy may correct me, but MGR 1 The Members shall register Masters competitors in a special category for each of the five recognised disciplines. A competitor who registers for Masters in any discipline will still retain his/her unrestricted right to compete in other competitions. MGR 2 Except for specific exceptions in the FINA Rules and regulations all other FINA Rules and Regulations shall apply to Masters Competitions. and MSW 5.3 World Records can only be established in a Masters meet: a) formally sanctioned by a FINA Member Federation; and b) organised for on behalf of a club or an organisation, which is a member of this FINA Member Federation or recognised by FINA; and c) conducted under the rules of FINA (and specially those relevant to Masters Swimming); and d) in which only swimmers registered in a club member of a FINA Member Federation participated. how i read this, yes you must enter as a masters swimmer. I don't think you can enter this meet as a masters swimmer. My take is that this meet is sanctioned as a USA Swimming meet and you must be a member of that organization to swim in this meet. The question I would have is a lot of Masters Clubs are not registered as USA Swimming Clubs and you must be a member of a USA Swimming Club or swim Unattached registered through USA Swimming to swim in the meet. All of the registered masters swimmers in this meet are registered as swimmers from there USA Swimming Clubs. What is interesting is that 2 of the swimmers that set records yesterday and today swim for the Olympic Club as there masters Club and will represent that Club next week in Santa Clara but in this meet they are swimming for their USA Club which is Cal Aquatics. Olympic Club is a registered USA Swimming Club but I am not sure if this meets the requirement as a Club member as described in D of MSW 5.3 of FINA Rules. When I think of a dual sanction with USA Swimming, I think that the swimmer is a member of both organizations and he is swimming as a USA Swimming member but would like his times to count for World Records because they are USMS registered masters swimmers. Top Ten and National Records already count because we automatically recognize those events. This last statement is assuming that all of the pool measurements, timing heat sheet/timing system printout, referee signature, and proof of swimmers age are complete. World Records might be different because of the club representation. I noticed in the "Application for a USMS/World Record that new language has been added that states: "If this is a World Record then I certify that this Masters meet has fulfilled the FINA Rule MSW 5.3 requirements." On the old application the only information that was required was your individual USMS Number and the sanction number for the masters meet. From all this I am not sure if these swims will be certified as Masters World Records. This is the first high level USA Swimming meet that I have ever seen dual sanctioned. All of the others were recognized and swimmers could get National Records but never World Records. This will be very interesting to see how this plays out because a lot of these same swimmers will be swimming next week in our USMS National meet and there will be no problem with records. I have noticed that some of the swims yesterday would have been World Records but not National Records because they are faster from the USA Recognized meets that USMS certified as National Records. Both Ervin and Townsend went faster than the World Record at 50.84 but slower than Nick Brunelli's 49.63 National Record in the 100 meter free. Tonight the oldest USMS/World Record that has ever existed could be broken tonight if FINA determines that you can set World Records in this dual sanctioned meet. Kevin Deforrest swam a 22.59 in the 50 Free in the 25-29 age group in August of 1983 over 30 years ago and I believe Nathan Adrian will get it. Ervin tied that record today but he is in the 30-34 age group and that his record is significantly harder at 22.13 by Roland Schoeman. When Kevin Deforrest swam that swim it was only better by one swimmer in the world and that was Robin Leamy.