2012 Div 1 NCAAs

Both of the 200 Relays are impressive with the 200 FR a bit better. It will be interesting to see if these times (200 FR - 1:17.70 220 MD- 1:26.65) score in the consolation heats at NCAA. Bradley Tandy will be a good recruit if he transfers and maybe we will see him at some top Div 1 program. He led off the 400 free relay with a 42.76 to go with that earlier 19.06. I'm sure there's room for him somewhere :)

I'm sure there's room for him somewhere :) Like on top of the 1st place podium? :applaud:

He led off the 400 free relay with a 42.76 to go with that earlier 19.06. I'm sure there's room for him somewhere :) I'm guessing Frank meant whether or not the kid can meet eligibility requirements.

I'm guessing Frank meant whether or not the kid can meet eligibility requirements. Here is a bit more information about him: www.collegeswimming.com/.../

Mr. That Guy: The point I was trying to make and maybe poorly is that not all events will have the same % of entrants that make the B cut invited into the meet. The 400 IM has 28 swimmers in the event out of 103 that made the cut for a 27.2% invitation rate. The 50 Free has 83 swimmers in the event out of 139 that made the cut for a 59.7%. Why is that? I really don't know. I don't think they are discriminating against distance swimmers and favoring sprinters and it might be a time line issue with the meet. The relays are a fixed amount so that % is consistent throughout. It's not a timeline issue at all, just an artifact of how swimmers' ability across multiple events is concentrated or spread. The 400 IM has fewer entrants because relatively few people will have been invited to the meet as part of a relay and/or a non-400IM individual event and also happen to have swum a B-cut in the 400 IM. Whereas for the 50 free, many more swimmers will have been invited to the meet as part of, say, the 200 free relay or any of the 100s and also have swum a B-cut 50 free at some point during the year. Think about the 200 Free relay alone. If 12 relays are guaranteed an invite, and you believe that most (if not all) swimmers on a top-12 relay are faster than the b-cut in the individual 50, you already have up to 48 swimmers on the psych scheet in that event: those above the invite line, and the others with the B-cut who are at the meet via their relay. Put another way, the 33-rd fastest 50 freestyler is likely to be on his team's invited 200 free relay and/or be fast enough to be invited in a 100 fr/bk/fl/br. The 33rd fastest 400 IM'er is not nearly as likely to be on a top-12 relay or top 17-20 in another solo event. This is why college recruiting favors sprinters. Broadly, once you establish the selection constraints (A cuts, B cuts, finite max/mins of swimmers and relays) there aren't really any subjective "judgement calls" -- there aren't "snubs" like in basketball. It's quantitative and replicable; the psych sheet would be the same if different people administered it again.

Event 3 Women 200 Yard IM ================================================================== NCAA: ! 1:52.31 2/25/2010 Julia Smit, Stanford American: @ 1:52.31 2/25/2010 Julia Smit, Stanford U.S. Open: # 1:52.31 2/25/2010 Julia Smit, Stanford Auburn Pool: $ 1:55.18 2/19/2009 Ava Ohlgren, Auburn 1:56.13 A Standard 2:01.93 B Standard Name Year School Seed Prelims ================================================================== === Preliminaries === 1 Leverenz, Caitl JR Cal Berkeley 1:52.43 1:53.31$qA 25.20 54.02 (28.82) 1:25.79 (31.77) 1:53.31 (27.52) 2 Hosszu, Katinka SR Southern Cali 1:52.37 1:53.43$qA 24.75 53.23 (28.48) 1:27.13 (33.90) 1:53.43 (26.30) -- Beisel, Elizabe SO Florida 1:54.83 DQ 25.15 53.23 (28.08) 1:26.64 (33.41) DQ (27.23)

New NCAA record for Cal... :applaud: Event 6 Women 400 Yard Medley Relay ==================================================================== NCAA: ! 3:28.26 2/24/2012 California C Tran, C Lenerenz, S Isakovic, L Jensen American: @ 3:28.31 3/20/2009 Arizona A Agy, A Chandler, L Jackson, J Schluntz U.S. Open: # 3:28.26 2/24/2012 California C Tran, C Leverenz, S Isakovic, L Jensen Auburn Pool: $ 3:04.58 2/20/2009 Auburn Goh, Lawrence, Ohlgren, Vanderpool-Wallace 3:32.56 A Standard 3:43.18 B Standard School Seed Prelims ==================================================================== === Preliminaries === 1 Cal Berkeley 'A' 3:28.26 3:28.14!qA 1) Cindy Tran SO 2) Caitlin Leverenz JR 3) Sara Isakovic SR 4) Katherine Raatz SR 24.09 50.98 (50.98) 1:18.16 (27.18) 1:49.04 (58.06) 2:12.63 (23.59) 2:40.07 (51.03) 3:02.59 (22.52) 3:28.14 (48.07)

Did you notice what they've got listed as the pool record for the medley relay? Looks like they might have listed the free relay instead.

New NCAA record for Cal... :applaud: Event 6 Women 400 Yard Medley Relay ==================================================================== NCAA: ! 3:28.26 2/24/2012 California C Tran, C Lenerenz, S Isakovic, L Jensen American: @ 3:28.31 3/20/2009 Arizona A Agy, A Chandler, L Jackson, J Schluntz U.S. Open: # 3:28.26 2/24/2012 California C Tran, C Leverenz, S Isakovic, L Jensen Auburn Pool: $ 3:04.58 2/20/2009 Auburn Goh, Lawrence, Ohlgren, Vanderpool-Wallace 3:32.56 A Standard 3:43.18 B Standard School Seed Prelims ==================================================================== === Preliminaries === 1 Cal Berkeley 'A' 3:28.26 3:28.14!qA 1) Cindy Tran SO 2) Caitlin Leverenz JR 3) Sara Isakovic SR 4) Katherine Raatz SR 24.09 50.98 (50.98) 1:18.16 (27.18) 1:49.04 (58.06) 2:12.63 (23.59) 2:40.07 (51.03) 3:02.59 (22.52) 3:28.14 (48.07) Come over to The Swimmer's Circle and let me know what you think about the implications of the splits for the individual events ... theswimmerscircle.com/.../

Did you notice what they've got listed as the pool record for the medley relay? Looks like they might have listed the free relay instead. My guess is that it is the men's 400 medley relay pool record. :anim_coffee: