hello
I have been swimming fly for 5 years, but just a week ago somebody told that my stroke is wrong.
When I first learned butterfly I used to focus a lot on my kick, so my stroke was very slow. Then my coach told me to focus on my arms, get them fast and my kick would eventually catch up with the speed.
Then I kept on doing fly but wihout a coach, I eventually got faster, but here is why my stroke is wrong: I don't kick two times every stroke, I only do it once, and anybody ever told me!
So, my time for a 50 fly SCM is 32" high, and for 100 SCM is 1' 13"
I started to do 2 kicks every stroke, but my times are x10 slower, like 40" for a 50 SCM fly :cane:(the only positive thing is that I get a lot less tired than
with the other stroke)
Here is a video of me from 6 months ago:
‪50 fly SCM‬ - YouTube
There you can clearly see that I only kick once every stroke.
So, my question is, how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process?
Because with the current speed of my arms, there is no way to kick two times, so I have to slow down and let them still infront of me for a moment so I kick a second time.
Thanks
Former Member
This isn't a video of the WC swim but here is some practice footage of her swimming all strokes
‪DreamDraft.com - Ida Marko-Varga - The Chosen One‬ - YouTube
‪Marko-Varga-Fly glid.mov‬ - YouTube
I went back onto Eurosport and counted strokes in the race
In the first 50 of the 200 butterfly, Ida did 15 strokes compared to Ellen Gandy's 20 ......... huge difference
It seems surprising that someone gliding so much can be competitive - there is hope for me !
Ah, you can clearly see her glide in that video. Thank you!
It would be good to see her whole 200 instead of just a few seconds. Becareful trying to glide like her. I see people trying to swim fly easy that have too much up and down motion.
I would think that one would want to glide forward with just a little up/down movement.
‪Marko-Varga-Fly glid.mov‬ - YouTube
I went back onto Eurosport and counted strokes in the race
In the first 50 of the 200 butterfly, Ida did 15 strokes compared to Ellen Gandy's 20 ......... huge difference
It seems surprising that someone gliding so much can be competitive - there is hope for me !
15 strokes for 50 LCM at race pace is pretty good.
‪Marko-Varga-Fly glid.mov‬ - YouTube
I went back onto Eurosport and counted strokes in the race
In the first 50 of the 200 butterfly, Ida did 15 strokes compared to Ellen Gandy's 20 ......... huge difference
It seems surprising that someone gliding so much can be competitive - there is hope for me !
hello
I have been swimming fly for 5 years, but just a week ago somebody told that my stroke is wrong.
When I first learned butterfly I used to focus a lot on my kick, so my stroke was very slow. Then my coach told me to focus on my arms, get them fast and my kick would eventually catch up with the speed.
Then I kept on doing fly but wihout a coach, I eventually got faster, but here is why my stroke is wrong: I don't kick two times every stroke, I only do it once, and anybody ever told me!
So, my time for a 50 fly SCM is 32" high, and for 100 SCM is 1' 13"
I started to do 2 kicks every stroke, but my times are x10 slower, like 40" for a 50 SCM fly :cane:(the only positive thing is that I get a lot less tired than
with the other stroke)
Here is a video of me from 6 months ago:
‪50 fly SCM‬ - YouTube
There you can clearly see that I only kick once every stroke.
So, my question is, how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process?
Because with the current speed of my arms, there is no way to kick two times, so I have to slow down and let them still infront of me for a moment so I kick a second time.
Thanks
when you swim butterfly, you go faster when kicking once per cycle rather than 2x per cycle
you asked:
"how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process?"
I say, GO FASTER, do what works for you
Some flyers don't benefit much from their kick and actually wind up going slower trying to swim fly "right"
a few years ago I did a swim faster faster session SFF focused on fly.
at first glance, when she swam fly her timing was off, she got mucked up with when to kick and pull.
ON SFF sessions I do a before and an after timed swim
Before:
25 fly, went 17.0
she stayed under too long on her dive,
bent her knees too much when she tried to kick and
moved her arms too slow trying to tie her kick and pull together
I had her swim an easy 75
then she rested another 1:00
AFTER:
I didn't tell her what she did wrong, it does no GOOD.
I gave her the following instructions for her next 25 fly
You are doing another FAST 25 fly for time,
but this time I want you to
GET PSYCHED and be fierce to crank that 25
Dive shallow,
do small SDKs,
don't breathe,
Move your arms as fast as you can until you touch the wall,
do small dolphin kicks while you're swimming, barely bend your knees
I asked her "What did I just say?"
she ran through the list.
Get up on the blocks
Take Your MARK
GO
She did and she went 15.3!
here's what each instruction did
"GET PSYCHED and be fierce to crank that 25"
It's possible to go faster
Put your self in Ideal Performance State, IPS
get ready to and really attack your swim
Dive shallow,
don't go too deep and waste time struggling to the surface
breakout with speed and moment up
do small SDKs,
your dolphin kick is messed up, you bend you knees too much
it slows you down
Don't breathe
keeps your head down which keeps your hips up
Move your arms as fast as you can until you touch the wall
This is key, if you crank your arms as fast as you can you'll move your body faster
do small dolphin kicks while you're swimming, barely bend your knees
poor kickers should stay streamlined and keep their legs out of the way
I think the other thing that played a factor was I was watching her, timing her, and she was motivated to swim faster.
I'm not sure how much each tip contributed to her improvement but she was thrilled she swam faster.
Ande
The most interesting video I've seen of Ida's butterglide technique is here in a 200 SCM race:
Fjäril 200m - YouTube
What's noteworthy is how she SDKs the full 15M in the opening length, then uses 7 strokes. On the second length, she SDKs about 12M and does 9 strokes. Then for the remaining five middle lengths, she SDKs about the same, but uses 7 strokes only, noticeably changing into her up-and-down butterglide technique. For the final length, she revs up again into a higher turnover. The video ends before she touches, but it appears she closed with at least 10 strokes.
Whoa, that's amazing -- there was such a huge difference between the beginning, middle, and end. Is the thought there that the butterglide in the middle gives you good speed for the effort, allowing you to go out really fast and come home fast?
Ande I was at a meet the other day and noticed the kids were clenching their teeth during the butterfly heats of a 100 Fly. I took one of the youngsters aside and told him to swim with a loose jaw. He came back after the final and said I took three seconds off my best time.
The most interesting video I've seen of Ida's butterglide technique is here in a 200 SCM race:
Fjäril 200m - YouTube
What's noteworthy is how she SDKs the full 15M in the opening length, then uses 7 strokes. On the second length, she SDKs about 12M and does 9 strokes. Then for the remaining five middle lengths, she SDKs about the same, but uses 7 strokes only, noticeably changing into her up-and-down butterglide technique. For the final length, she revs up again into a higher turnover. The video ends before she touches, but it appears she closed with at least 10 strokes.
