butterfly kick

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hello I have been swimming fly for 5 years, but just a week ago somebody told that my stroke is wrong. When I first learned butterfly I used to focus a lot on my kick, so my stroke was very slow. Then my coach told me to focus on my arms, get them fast and my kick would eventually catch up with the speed. Then I kept on doing fly but wihout a coach, I eventually got faster, but here is why my stroke is wrong: I don't kick two times every stroke, I only do it once, and anybody ever told me! So, my time for a 50 fly SCM is 32" high, and for 100 SCM is 1' 13" I started to do 2 kicks every stroke, but my times are x10 slower, like 40" for a 50 SCM fly :cane:(the only positive thing is that I get a lot less tired than with the other stroke) Here is a video of me from 6 months ago: ‪50 fly SCM‬‏ - YouTube There you can clearly see that I only kick once every stroke. So, my question is, how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process? Because with the current speed of my arms, there is no way to kick two times, so I have to slow down and let them still infront of me for a moment so I kick a second time. Thanks
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  • hello I have been swimming fly for 5 years, but just a week ago somebody told that my stroke is wrong. When I first learned butterfly I used to focus a lot on my kick, so my stroke was very slow. Then my coach told me to focus on my arms, get them fast and my kick would eventually catch up with the speed. Then I kept on doing fly but wihout a coach, I eventually got faster, but here is why my stroke is wrong: I don't kick two times every stroke, I only do it once, and anybody ever told me! So, my time for a 50 fly SCM is 32" high, and for 100 SCM is 1' 13" I started to do 2 kicks every stroke, but my times are x10 slower, like 40" for a 50 SCM fly :cane:(the only positive thing is that I get a lot less tired than with the other stroke) Here is a video of me from 6 months ago: ‪50 fly SCM‬‏ - YouTube There you can clearly see that I only kick once every stroke. So, my question is, how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process? Because with the current speed of my arms, there is no way to kick two times, so I have to slow down and let them still infront of me for a moment so I kick a second time. Thanks when you swim butterfly, you go faster when kicking once per cycle rather than 2x per cycle you asked: "how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process?" I say, GO FASTER, do what works for you Some flyers don't benefit much from their kick and actually wind up going slower trying to swim fly "right" a few years ago I did a swim faster faster session SFF focused on fly. at first glance, when she swam fly her timing was off, she got mucked up with when to kick and pull. ON SFF sessions I do a before and an after timed swim Before: 25 fly, went 17.0 she stayed under too long on her dive, bent her knees too much when she tried to kick and moved her arms too slow trying to tie her kick and pull together I had her swim an easy 75 then she rested another 1:00 AFTER: I didn't tell her what she did wrong, it does no GOOD. I gave her the following instructions for her next 25 fly You are doing another FAST 25 fly for time, but this time I want you to GET PSYCHED and be fierce to crank that 25 Dive shallow, do small SDKs, don't breathe, Move your arms as fast as you can until you touch the wall, do small dolphin kicks while you're swimming, barely bend your knees I asked her "What did I just say?" she ran through the list. Get up on the blocks Take Your MARK GO She did and she went 15.3! here's what each instruction did "GET PSYCHED and be fierce to crank that 25" It's possible to go faster Put your self in Ideal Performance State, IPS get ready to and really attack your swim Dive shallow, don't go too deep and waste time struggling to the surface breakout with speed and moment up do small SDKs, your dolphin kick is messed up, you bend you knees too much it slows you down Don't breathe keeps your head down which keeps your hips up Move your arms as fast as you can until you touch the wall This is key, if you crank your arms as fast as you can you'll move your body faster do small dolphin kicks while you're swimming, barely bend your knees poor kickers should stay streamlined and keep their legs out of the way I think the other thing that played a factor was I was watching her, timing her, and she was motivated to swim faster. I'm not sure how much each tip contributed to her improvement but she was thrilled she swam faster. Ande
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  • hello I have been swimming fly for 5 years, but just a week ago somebody told that my stroke is wrong. When I first learned butterfly I used to focus a lot on my kick, so my stroke was very slow. Then my coach told me to focus on my arms, get them fast and my kick would eventually catch up with the speed. Then I kept on doing fly but wihout a coach, I eventually got faster, but here is why my stroke is wrong: I don't kick two times every stroke, I only do it once, and anybody ever told me! So, my time for a 50 fly SCM is 32" high, and for 100 SCM is 1' 13" I started to do 2 kicks every stroke, but my times are x10 slower, like 40" for a 50 SCM fly :cane:(the only positive thing is that I get a lot less tired than with the other stroke) Here is a video of me from 6 months ago: ‪50 fly SCM‬‏ - YouTube There you can clearly see that I only kick once every stroke. So, my question is, how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process? Because with the current speed of my arms, there is no way to kick two times, so I have to slow down and let them still infront of me for a moment so I kick a second time. Thanks when you swim butterfly, you go faster when kicking once per cycle rather than 2x per cycle you asked: "how do I correct my stroke without losing too much speed in the process?" I say, GO FASTER, do what works for you Some flyers don't benefit much from their kick and actually wind up going slower trying to swim fly "right" a few years ago I did a swim faster faster session SFF focused on fly. at first glance, when she swam fly her timing was off, she got mucked up with when to kick and pull. ON SFF sessions I do a before and an after timed swim Before: 25 fly, went 17.0 she stayed under too long on her dive, bent her knees too much when she tried to kick and moved her arms too slow trying to tie her kick and pull together I had her swim an easy 75 then she rested another 1:00 AFTER: I didn't tell her what she did wrong, it does no GOOD. I gave her the following instructions for her next 25 fly You are doing another FAST 25 fly for time, but this time I want you to GET PSYCHED and be fierce to crank that 25 Dive shallow, do small SDKs, don't breathe, Move your arms as fast as you can until you touch the wall, do small dolphin kicks while you're swimming, barely bend your knees I asked her "What did I just say?" she ran through the list. Get up on the blocks Take Your MARK GO She did and she went 15.3! here's what each instruction did "GET PSYCHED and be fierce to crank that 25" It's possible to go faster Put your self in Ideal Performance State, IPS get ready to and really attack your swim Dive shallow, don't go too deep and waste time struggling to the surface breakout with speed and moment up do small SDKs, your dolphin kick is messed up, you bend you knees too much it slows you down Don't breathe keeps your head down which keeps your hips up Move your arms as fast as you can until you touch the wall This is key, if you crank your arms as fast as you can you'll move your body faster do small dolphin kicks while you're swimming, barely bend your knees poor kickers should stay streamlined and keep their legs out of the way I think the other thing that played a factor was I was watching her, timing her, and she was motivated to swim faster. I'm not sure how much each tip contributed to her improvement but she was thrilled she swam faster. Ande
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