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    USMS: Glutton for punishment or social warriors?

    Kurt Dickson
    Kurt Dickson 21 days ago

    FYI

    It is my understanding Angie is facing a tribunal in April to decide whether she is banned from USMS as apparently standing up for your rights and fairness ain't cool.  Why USMS wants this smoke baffles the mind.

    https://www.youtube.com/shorts/f6gOv3dC_HQ

    https://state-of-swimming.ghost.io/u-s-masters-on-watch-after-swimmer-threatened-with-lifetime-ban-for-rules-protecting-womens-category/?fbclid=IwY2xjawQsJmNleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETFpcm03eXZEOXhUZ3YyR0djc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQQMjIyMDM5MTc4ODIwMDg5MgABHgZykROwi-KyYFvSraXT0q_SsRG29TW6knjjEuUPU1pGWlT67kFyke8K3GU1_aem_dDrBWf6CXCn8pshnc_f4UA

    https://iconswomen.com/stand-with-angie-griffin-save-masters-swimming/?ref=state-of-swimming.ghost.io

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    • Paul Smith
      Paul Smith 21 days ago in reply to Britt03 +4
      Britta, can you provide a link to the board meeting notes where the grievance has been being discussed as well as the USMS policy on unsportsmanlike conduct? I'd also like to know if anyone can report…
    • Kurt Dickson
      Kurt Dickson 21 days ago in reply to Britt03 +3
      I have zero understanding and so if Angie physically assaulted someone or did something equally egregious, punish her. Otherwise, it appears to us uneducated masses as retribution. If it was words, she…
    • Michael Heather
      Michael Heather 21 days ago +3
      USMS is no longer being run by a board of directors, but by activist committee members and the national office. It (the N.O.) uses threats and the weakness of the President and BoD to terrorize people…
    • Britt03
      Britt03 21 days ago

      Would love to know where your understanding is coming from apart from these links you posted. 

      I'm happy to clarify  that all that this is is that an internal grievance was filed against her for unsportsmanlike behavior. No courts involved, no law suits. An internal grievance. So yeah, both sides are apparently standing up for fairness because unsportsmanlike behavior is not cool.

      And I hope a grievance like that would be filed against any member who is breaking USMS code of conduct. 

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    • Kurt Dickson
      Kurt Dickson 21 days ago in reply to Britt03

      I have zero understanding and so if Angie physically assaulted someone or did something equally egregious, punish her. Otherwise, it appears to us uneducated masses as retribution. If it was words, she should have never been required to defend herself in the first place.

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    • Paul Smith
      Paul Smith 21 days ago in reply to Britt03

      Britta, can you provide a link to the board meeting notes where the grievance has been being discussed as well as the USMS policy on unsportsmanlike conduct? I'd also like to know if anyone can report how much USMS has spent on legal fees since this incident at nationals occurred? I spoke with a couple attorney friends who are swimmers and familiar with what's been going on, both felt that USMS would have incredible exposure if they proceeded to ban Angie from the sport as her first amendment rights would very likely be seen as being violated and for slandering her. 

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    • Michael Heather
      Michael Heather 21 days ago

      USMS is no longer being run by a board of directors, but by activist committee members and the national office.  It (the N.O.)  uses threats and the weakness of the President and BoD to terrorize people into allowing a chosen few to run USMS as they please. I was censured by the NBR in 2020 for idly remarking to a secretary that the covid virus came from China. Since then, the organization has shown a very woke value system based on unknown sources.

      Not sure Angie is being sued in court or (very likely) getting a kangaroo trial by hand picked members of the National Board of Review. 

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    • Britt03
      Britt03 20 days ago in reply to Paul Smith

      part 4 of the USMS rule book talks about Participation, Conduct, Hearings and Appeals.
      https://www.usms.org/-/media/usms/pdfs/volunteer%20central/rule%20book/compiledrulebook.pdf

      As for board meeting minutes, I have the same access as every other regular USMS member and have no knowledge how or when the grievance was discussed. 
      What is apparent though, since that is the normal procedure when you file a grievance, is that the NBR accepted the grievance. Otherwise there would be none at this point.

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    • Kurt Dickson
      Kurt Dickson 9 days ago

      https://www.thefemalecategory.com/p/angie-griffin-is-facing-a-lifetime?fbclid=IwdGRjcAQ8rNFjbGNrBDysi2V4dG4DYWVtAjExAHNydGMGYXBwX2lkDDM1MDY4NTUzMTcyOAABHtJ18MRfLMnQZn_4UOfMHjt7GPGdpb4dH6jA9uG7J0xzP88iRNaNd4xhVjt2_aem_o7do1OW3TEe5nivalglMrw

      Postponed until June.  Gotta know when to fold 'em Disappointed

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