Nationals Kudos

Thank you to all volunteers and officials for (as always) a well run meet.

Also,

Congratulations to: 

Mixed 400 Free Relay of Jackson Wang, Bobby Savulich, Naoko Watanabe, and Laureen Welting

50 Breast: Angie Griffin

100 IM: Maureen Rea

50 Free: Jennifer Brooks Crozier

100 Breast: Cissy Cochran

100 Free: Sonja Skinner

Nobody else cares, but I do.

   

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  • I haven’t looked at the final results, but imagine if any of these events had more than 10 competitors. The 11th place finisher just lost the thrill of receiving a National medal. To some, that’s a pretty big deal and a goal they worked toward. It’s just as damaging/disappointing as the second place finishes.

  • There are points to consider as well. This isn't just about individual standings but team rankings as well!!!

  • Get a grip. The 10th place time in the 1000 for W50-54 in 2024 was 12:41, which is not exactly blazing. Even if any of those swimmers were trans women, they are neither fast enough nor numerous enough to have a significant impact on NQTs. Or are you now convinced that every non-slow woman must once have been a boy or man?

  • Get a grip? Does it matter if 10th place was fast or not? No. It matters in points at the meet, it matters to the person racing. It matters when you miss a medal ot a place. It matters when you tain and shell out money to an organization you had trust and faith in.  IT ALL MATTERS.

  • The assertion was that fast trans women are so numerous that they "HIGHLY affect NQTs." That assertion is ridiculous.

    I also have quite a bit of competitive experience, so you don't need to explain to me what does and doesn't matter in competition. We just have different priorities.

    As I noted above, if this particular swimmer at 2025 SCY Nationals didn't satisfy USMS's policy, she'll be retroactively DQ'd because of a successful eligibility protest. If she did satisfy USMS's policy but people think that policy should change, they can advocate for a policy they think will be better.

  • What about all the other events/meets in which this swimmer has competed over a number of years? Why should those results stand?

  • yes, It would be helpful to have a representative of the administration give some guidance as to who to connect with.

    Many of us who were not in the age group etc. are evidently shut out of the application for complaint form Kurt so quickly found and shared.

  • It only needs one very fast one to skew the NQTs.

  • You could try emailing Rules and Eligibilty to see if you get a response on procedures if it was an older race and you have aged up.

    wwhttps:/.../transgender-eligibility-review-procedures

  • I am talking about the athlete in question swimming for USMS in 2010, 2012,etc and having nothing said about those swims or any acknowledgement as to gender issues.

  • No. SCY NQTs are based on the average of the tenth-fastest time in an event over the three previous years, plus 15% for some events or 10% for others.

    www.usms.org/.../NQT-FAQ.pdf

  • But this swimmer has been competing since 2021 so those times would have an effect.

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