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USMS vs USA Swimming

09PY3

Just a general question:

Can USMS times be submitted for USA Swimming and vice versa?

Someone was trying to tell me that this was true, but I had been under the impression that it wasn't possible, that USMS times only counted for USMS and USA Swimming times only counted for USA Swimming.

Thank you for any input!

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    I don’t compete in pool meets, but based on what little I know about rules of the two authorities (USMS and USAS)…I would think that USAS times might be applicable in USMS…but not the other way. The reason I say that…and this might be incorrect…but there are rules in the USMS that aren’t allowed in USAS. The one I can think of to use for an example would be the butterfly stroke. USMS allows the swimmer to use a breaststroke kick exclusively, or interchangeably. I don’t think USAS allows that. (USMS rule 101.3.3). I’m sure there are others.

    Dan

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    Hi!

    Times achieved by USMS members at meets sanctioned by USA Swimming will be counted towards their own times and also be eligible for Top 10/All Star recognition. The associated section of the USMS rulebook is 202.3.

    For times achieved by USA swimming members at USMS sanctioned meets, the results will not be recognized by USA Swimming. This is due to specific rules within the USMS rulebook that deviate from USA Swimming's rulebook.

    - Carter

  • 0 in reply to Carter Page

    Thank you so much for your help! 

  • 0 in reply to ForceDJ

    Thank you for your help!

  • 0 in reply to Carter Page

    There are ways to have times at a USMS meet count for USA Swimming. It can be complicated and the process depends on what LMSC/LSC you’re in. For example, USMS Nationals are usually set up as USAS Observed meets meaning anyone who wants their time to count for USAS can then request their swim be observed according to USAS rules  We usually have about a dozen requests at each Nationals. But it can be done for local meets too if it’s important enough. 

  • 0 in reply to Mike Abegg

    Good to know, thank you! I am usually at Nationals, so this will come in handy!

  • 0 in reply to Mike Abegg

    Who do I need to talk to at Nationals about doing this? Thank you again!

  • 0 in reply to 09PY3

    From the meet information...

    Swimmers wishing to have times entered into SWIMS (USA Swimming’s times database) must complete a form, obtained from the administrative referee at the meet, prior to the swim.