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The cross-training routine that was previously posted on this thread had a variety of advice. Although quite a few people have mentioned to me that they prefer to swim, and don't really want to lift weights. That's understandable, but attempting to compromise I suggest these 4 critical exercises, 3xweek. This could take as little as 15 minutes, but will have significant impact on your swimming base times. Here's why: Ankle flexibility is crucial, as this is the anchor on your ship. Even if you don't improve power or strength, having your ankles flexible will reduce the drag and improve body position. So, I recommend a minimum of 6 minutes (3x per week), on the bike with your toes pointed. This is primarily to warm up the ankles as well as training the range of motion. 1199 Don't be discouraged if you can't do this next stretch right away. When I started 8 years ago I couldn't get my knees off the ground, and my SDK was ineffective. Just have patience, and after several months you should notice a gradual improvement. Not everyone is gifted with natural mobility in the ankles, but the good news is this can be earned. Try and hold the stretch for 3x20 seconds. 1200 Moving up the body line, core stability is critical for maintaining the right trajectory while swimming. Be sure to bring the elbow all the way around the knee, and tighten the core as you go through the motion. Pick a weight that enables you to do 3x12 reps on both sides. 1201 This last exercise is great for your core, but I've noticed it is also really good for the upper body, especially the catch phase of the stroke, as well as engaging the lats on the horizontal axis. Again, 3x12 reps, and these four exercises can be made into a short mini-routine that most aspiring swimmers should at least consider. 1202 Happy swimming, 1203 So I finally have my video on FLOSWIMMING here it is 100 free SCM - 51.60 which converts to 46.02 SCY swimming.flocasts.org/.../65295
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    Former Member over 16 years ago
    Yes, the ab wheel works the forearms and shoulders as well as the abs. I still think the Plank is the ultimate ab exercise, though. When I started doing it I could barely hold the position for 20 seconds. Now I can stay there for 2 mins. Check out tw.youtube.com/watch for a video Sure, that helps to improve core stability, thanks for sharing the link. There are actually quite a few dryland exercises that can help to improve swimming efficiency, and this ultimately speeds up base swimming times.
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    Former Member over 16 years ago
    Do you consider the 100 back to be your main event? Or the 50 back, a 26.8 SCM is quite fast, especially for a youthful 43. In a pool, I haven't raced it in 25 years. However, I do a couple open water swims every summer. (I was considering doing a couple 1000 swims in SCY season.) The "broken mile" sets are really not any worse than any set that lasts about that long, you just have to keep track of your time and it is something that pushes you. Everyone does them, even the sprinters and the non-competitors.
  • Oh, and to keep VB happy :), here was today's workout. 100 off the blocks for time Surely debating the merits of a given workout(s) for a particular event(s) or a particular type of training is within the purview of the thread? Whatcha go?
  • Last night we did a stroke set that definitely hurt ... 6 x 25 on :40 6 x 25 on :35 8 x 25 on :30 4 x 25 on :25 Those were my intervals I'm sure some studs out there could drop :05 or :10 off each. Sadly my poor shoulders were not up to do doing the whole thing fly so I did the first 6 fly the second set of 6 backstroke :rant3: the set of 8 I did fly/fly/free/free and the last four I did fly. I wanted to make sure I had a good last four with decent technique while still getting :07 or more rest. I loved this set because it was "only" 25s but I definitely was hurting. Hopefully when I get back into shape I can make it all 24 fly.
  • Surely debating the merits of a given workout(s) for a particular event(s) or a particular type of training is within the purview of the thread? Whatcha go? Maybe so, just didn't want to take the chance. :) 100 fly, 55. (I was pretty tired from the broken 200s, and the kick set.)
  • Do you consider the 100 back to be your main event? Or the 50 back, a 26.8 SCM is quite fast, especially for a youthful 43. I hate 50s. They are over too quickly. Races should involve some pain.:) I guess 100 & 200 back are my main events now. I don't really think that way, I like diversity in workouts. Except I don't like IM workouts (b/c I can't really train breastroke with my knees). Anyway ViveBene will get on our case for not talking about workouts. So yesterday our main set was 10 x 100 free on 2:00, best average (from a push) Our coach gives us this set about once every five weeks as a check for fitness level, he really pushes us to keep improving our average time. At our coach's (very mild) suggestion I've been doing it butterfly because the time I average correlates reasonably well with the last 100 of my 200 fly in a race, so I can see if there might be progress on that front. (Actually, now that I think about it, that statement is close to true when I swam it back or free; maybe it is true for other people as well.)
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    Former Member over 15 years ago
    Thanks Jim! Glad to see it open again! Today, my team did these sets (there were 3 sets of intervals): 4 x 100 IM on 1:40 100 kick on 2:00 4 x 100 free pull on 1:20 100 kick on 2:00 4 x 100 stroke on 1:40 100 kick on 2:00 4 x 100 IM on 1:40 100 kick on 2:00 20 x 25 with fins, 3 easy on :30, 1 AFAP on 1:00 Good workout! I'm gonna use this as my main set and finishing set. I'll add about 2000 SCY to it. Thanks!
  • You've been doing this fly? Yikes, you're truly hard-core, I feel like an age-grouper all over again, talking about the sets we would do in practice. As you know, the program I prefer now is higher intensity at shorter distances. The stuff you're doing, broken miles, 10x100 best average, these sets will make you fit, but if you really wanted to blast a 200 back, why not train more sprint endurance? Anything longer, and your "power stroke" drops down into a lower gear, and that's all you can hold at the 200 distance. You may dislike the 50's/100's, but you're gifted at those distances. 57.0 100 back scm, compared to 2:06.11 for the 200. Don't get me wrong, 2:06 is amazing, but with that kind of speed on the front end you could be down to 2:02... Although, that's unlikely if you're training for the mile. We do PLENTY of sprint endurance (a little less speed work, I'll admit), it just isn't the ONLY thing we do. I am not in any way training for the mile, that's for sure. I held 1:01s, so the 100s were on a "duty cycle" of 50%, meaning I got as much rest as we swum. That's pretty much rest, though I agree it isn't a sprint or sprint endurance set by any stretch. I believe the set is a good gauge of being able to bring back a 200. Like I said, we do a lot of fast swimming in practice, believe me. I also work on power through lifting and using the parachute. As far as which distance is my best in back, it depends somewhat on the course. Remember that I'm 44, so you probably need to compare me to my contemporaries. When I swim with the age groupers, 100 back and 100 fly are definitely my better events than the corresponding 200s; compared to others my age, it is less clear. According to our rating calculator, last SCY season my 200 back was the best event of the three by a significant margin (ratings of 99.0 for the 50, 100.8 for the 100 and 101.8 for the 200). Of the SCM times you mentioned, the ratings for the 50/100/200 were about dead even: 100.7/101.2/100.9. It is only for LCM that the 50 beats the 200 (101.1, 101.2, 100.5, respectively, last summer). Basically, I like doing fly; as an age-grouper 200 fly was my favorite event. Yesterday I was in a groove and it felt great, it was my best average on that set by a second. My endurance fly (absolutely necessary for the 200) has really been lacking for the past 10-15 years and I am trying -- unsuccessfully so far -- to get it back. I also happen to believe that fly training benefits ALL the strokes (as long as it doesn't hurt the shoulders), not just butterfly. Oh, and to keep VB happy :), here was today's workout. Warmup of 1000, various strokes/kicks/drills Freestyle set: long/aerobic, hold same pace throughout 4 x 150 on 2:00 3 x 150 on 1:55 2 x 150 on 1:50 1 x 150 on 1:45 Kick set, 6 sets of 100 VERY FAST on 1:30 50 recovery on 1:30 2 x broken 200s: 50s on 0:50, 0:45, 0:40, hold at least 200 race pace, maintain same pace throughout. Couple minutes recovery between 200s. 100 off the blocks for time
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    Former Member over 15 years ago
    You've been doing this fly? Yikes, you're truly hard-core, I feel like an age-grouper all over again, talking about the sets we would do in practice. As you know, the program I prefer now is higher intensity at shorter distances. The stuff you're doing, broken miles, 10x100 best average, these sets will make you fit, but if you really wanted to blast a 200 back, why not train more sprint endurance? Anything longer, and your "power stroke" drops down into a lower gear, and that's all you can hold at the 200 distance. You may dislike the 50's/100's, but you're gifted at those distances. 57.0 100 back scm, compared to 2:06.11 for the 200. Don't get me wrong, 2:06 is amazing, but with that kind of speed on the front end you could be down to 2:02... Although, that's unlikely if you're training for the mile. 10 x 100 free on 2:00, best average (from a push) Our coach gives us this set about once every five weeks as a check for fitness level, he really pushes us to keep improving our average time. At our coach's (very mild) suggestion I've been doing it butterfly because the time I average correlates reasonably well with the last 100 of my 200 fly in a race, so I can see if there might be progress on that front.
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    Former Member over 15 years ago
    Surely debating the merits of a given workout(s) for a particular event(s) or a particular type of training is within the purview of the thread? Sure it is... For some of the regular posters out there you may have already read this on the General swimming thread, but I thought it might be useful for those who want to improve their swimming/work-out "focus". Swimming is a feeling, not a thought. That's why I prefer training models that teach the body to feel, opening up a different kind of thinking. Words like flow, feel, pressure, catch, resistance, or anything that enhances tactile understanding. At the end of the day, kinesthetic awareness cannot be fully understood through cognitive analysis alone. The fact is, everyone has different strengths and weaknesses, and these should be explored on a case by case basis. I would never ask Popov to swim like Micheal Klim, or vice versa. (or a younger version of the two) Which is why the technique debate appears to be flawed from the start. The question is, what works best for you? Sure, there are general rules, but to get the most out of your swim, you have to reach a more personal level. If you're one of those people that absolutely "needs" to think technique during your swim, I suggest trying the checklist method. In other words, think of 5-6 things you'd like to work on and go through the checklist on a regular basis. Continually move in your mind from one point to the other, don't localize in one spot for too long. This ensures that you don't get "stuck" on one aspect of your swim, and this method can actually trick your mind into a kinesthetic state.