One topic of great interest to us all is
"What do you need to do to have a major swimming breakthrough?"
"What do you need to do to significantly improve your swimming times over one season?"
Do you have any specific, nitty gritty type suggestions.
I think it's really easy to fall into ruts, to just show up and go through the motions rather than seizing the moment while we train.
Any one have any thoughts on what we need to do to significantly improve?
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hi jesse,
very nice to hear from you
you gave me lots of details
you said
My goal for the next year is to break 5:00 in the 500 fr.
then you asked
Could it be possible to break 5:00 in the 500 on 4,000 yds/day with weightlifting and quality yardage?
you've already gone 5:16
so yes it is possible for you to break 5:00 in the 500 free
here's my suggestions
1) find someone to train with or find a coach to train under
you'll train harder if you're part of a group
2) the best way to break 5:00 is to break it by a lot, train to break 4:55
3) to prepare for the 500 you need to work on
racing, speed, endurance, technique and correct splitting
Racing: swim at one fast 500 for time each week
preferably with someone timing you and getting your splits
Speed: work on your 25, 50, 75 and 100 speed
do fast swims with plenty of rest
Endurance: you need to step up your practice pace for these types of sets
you should be flirting with 1:05 and easily make swims on 1:10
Technique spend time in your practices concentrating on fast turns and great streamlines off each turn
correct splitting to swim the fastest possible time, it's important for you to correctly split your races
if you look at your 500 by 50's, by 100's and by 250's:
by 50
your first 50 should be easy,
the next 4 should feel relaxed
the next 4 should be strong
the last one should be a sprint with all you have left
ie:
27.9 29.9
29.9 29.9
29.9 29.9
29.9 29.9
29.9 28.9
by 100
your first 100 should feel relaxed
your next 100 should be strong but far from all out
next should be consistent
next should be consistent
last should be a sprint with all that's left
57.9
59.9
59.9
59.9
58.9
by 250
you want to keep your first and 2nd 250 with in -1 to 4
ie
out in 2:27.9
back in 2:28.9
you need to swim fast in practice
keep us posted on your progress
you can make your breakthrough happen
Ande
new to masters.
20 years old
male,
Jesse.
joined masters a couple weeks ago
swam my first ever masters meet last weekend.
started swimming a little over 3 years ago during my senior year of high school.
used to be a runner
st didn't know anything about technique.
After about 6 months on a club team
went
5:13 500 fr,
1:57 200fr, and
52.8 100fr.
times at a meet where I was shaved and tapered.
I was 6'0" and weighed about 155lbs,
swimming with my team about 30,000 yds. a week.
3 years later and in college I am still 6'0" but 175 lbs.
I didn't gain much fat though, mostly muscle because I started lifting weights.
The meet I swam last weekend I went
5:16 500 fr,
11:02 1000 fr (first time I swam the 1000 and now it's my new favorite race), and
53.8 100fr.
wasn't shaved or tapered for it. After high school I kept swimming but it was mainly just to stay in shape, I was only doing 2000-3000 easy yards 4 or 5 times a week. I started back serious training again about 4 months ago.
My goal for the next year is to break 5:00 in the 500 fr.
My training now is I'm swimming tue, thu, and sat about 4,500 yds each practice, and on mon, wed, fri, I lift first then swim between 2,500 and 3,000, all my yardage is scy. I swim alone with no coach or teammates so it can get kinda boring. I also make up all my practice and most of my main sets are between 1500 and 2500 yds free on a 1:20 base interval with other random stuff thrown in there to get the yardage up. I know there is no magic set that makes anyone faster but I'm looking for workouts tailored to improving 500y free and 1000 y free. I know there are ways out there for me to improve I just haven't gotten my hands on them yet. I want to keep my yardage where it's at for now but maybe even it out from day to day.
Could it be possible to break 5:00 in the 500 on 4,000 yds./day with weightlifting and quality yardage?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated, especially from ande, you really know your stuff.
I feel like I am going in circles as far as training goes.
I want to have that breakthrough that this thread is all about.
hi jesse,
very nice to hear from you
you gave me lots of details
you said
My goal for the next year is to break 5:00 in the 500 fr.
then you asked
Could it be possible to break 5:00 in the 500 on 4,000 yds/day with weightlifting and quality yardage?
you've already gone 5:16
so yes it is possible for you to break 5:00 in the 500 free
here's my suggestions
1) find someone to train with or find a coach to train under
you'll train harder if you're part of a group
2) the best way to break 5:00 is to break it by a lot, train to break 4:55
3) to prepare for the 500 you need to work on
racing, speed, endurance, technique and correct splitting
Racing: swim at one fast 500 for time each week
preferably with someone timing you and getting your splits
Speed: work on your 25, 50, 75 and 100 speed
do fast swims with plenty of rest
Endurance: you need to step up your practice pace for these types of sets
you should be flirting with 1:05 and easily make swims on 1:10
Technique spend time in your practices concentrating on fast turns and great streamlines off each turn
correct splitting to swim the fastest possible time, it's important for you to correctly split your races
if you look at your 500 by 50's, by 100's and by 250's:
by 50
your first 50 should be easy,
the next 4 should feel relaxed
the next 4 should be strong
the last one should be a sprint with all you have left
ie:
27.9 29.9
29.9 29.9
29.9 29.9
29.9 29.9
29.9 28.9
by 100
your first 100 should feel relaxed
your next 100 should be strong but far from all out
next should be consistent
next should be consistent
last should be a sprint with all that's left
57.9
59.9
59.9
59.9
58.9
by 250
you want to keep your first and 2nd 250 with in -1 to 4
ie
out in 2:27.9
back in 2:28.9
you need to swim fast in practice
keep us posted on your progress
you can make your breakthrough happen
Ande
new to masters.
20 years old
male,
Jesse.
joined masters a couple weeks ago
swam my first ever masters meet last weekend.
started swimming a little over 3 years ago during my senior year of high school.
used to be a runner
st didn't know anything about technique.
After about 6 months on a club team
went
5:13 500 fr,
1:57 200fr, and
52.8 100fr.
times at a meet where I was shaved and tapered.
I was 6'0" and weighed about 155lbs,
swimming with my team about 30,000 yds. a week.
3 years later and in college I am still 6'0" but 175 lbs.
I didn't gain much fat though, mostly muscle because I started lifting weights.
The meet I swam last weekend I went
5:16 500 fr,
11:02 1000 fr (first time I swam the 1000 and now it's my new favorite race), and
53.8 100fr.
wasn't shaved or tapered for it. After high school I kept swimming but it was mainly just to stay in shape, I was only doing 2000-3000 easy yards 4 or 5 times a week. I started back serious training again about 4 months ago.
My goal for the next year is to break 5:00 in the 500 fr.
My training now is I'm swimming tue, thu, and sat about 4,500 yds each practice, and on mon, wed, fri, I lift first then swim between 2,500 and 3,000, all my yardage is scy. I swim alone with no coach or teammates so it can get kinda boring. I also make up all my practice and most of my main sets are between 1500 and 2500 yds free on a 1:20 base interval with other random stuff thrown in there to get the yardage up. I know there is no magic set that makes anyone faster but I'm looking for workouts tailored to improving 500y free and 1000 y free. I know there are ways out there for me to improve I just haven't gotten my hands on them yet. I want to keep my yardage where it's at for now but maybe even it out from day to day.
Could it be possible to break 5:00 in the 500 on 4,000 yds./day with weightlifting and quality yardage?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated, especially from ande, you really know your stuff.
I feel like I am going in circles as far as training goes.
I want to have that breakthrough that this thread is all about.