Just a thought/request:
At some point in the future, it would be nice to have workouts posted by someone who specializes in LONG distance coaching with an eye on open water distances (1 mile "death sprints" to ??? miles). The workouts provided are generally excellent, but since open water distances basically start where pool distances leave off, it would be great to have something a bit more specific. This is especially true since there is a relatively small body of printed work on longer distance/open water training and coaches for LONG distances seem few and far between.
Would anyone else be interested and would this be possible?
-LBJ
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I found this thread fascinating! My background is from cycling - got to pro ranks then retired at 30. I love swimming and now have the chance to have a go at the masters distance events.
I'm taking the cycling way of training to swim faster for distance swimming. For example training for the 10 mile time trial is surely similar to the 1500m swim in time and so therefore effort is similar (between 20-30min effort). Also the 25 mile time trail event is similar to 5k event in time and effort (1hr-1hr20 or so efforts). Both are very tough events as you know.
It's just that we cyclists don't train like most swimmers - not in any way like it - the whole approach is different. I've never seen so much emphasis on short sets when the focus surely should be on pace awareness and lactate threshold sets lasting and building: 5-10-15 minute efforts to train lactate buffering and Vo2 3-5 min efforts all built upon/within slow volume work at 75% effort etc..I could go on and on...but I am just so surprised at the way you guys train - I mean, yardage stuff - that was all tried out decades ago - what's happened to quality workouts with the goal of adaptation not overtraining and over duplicating workouts like a.m and p.m workouts - what DOES that do? What's this 'train every day for months and then taper'? Hey - don't workouts loose a hec of a lot of quality doing that over time and does not one get so fatigued that overtraining sets in? wow! Obviously it works for some but not me I'm afraid.
Anyway, I am loving my swimming and I will let you know how I get on with my cycling approach to the 1500m (and I may one day a 5k).
Cheers
I found this thread fascinating! My background is from cycling - got to pro ranks then retired at 30. I love swimming and now have the chance to have a go at the masters distance events.
I'm taking the cycling way of training to swim faster for distance swimming. For example training for the 10 mile time trial is surely similar to the 1500m swim in time and so therefore effort is similar (between 20-30min effort). Also the 25 mile time trail event is similar to 5k event in time and effort (1hr-1hr20 or so efforts). Both are very tough events as you know.
It's just that we cyclists don't train like most swimmers - not in any way like it - the whole approach is different. I've never seen so much emphasis on short sets when the focus surely should be on pace awareness and lactate threshold sets lasting and building: 5-10-15 minute efforts to train lactate buffering and Vo2 3-5 min efforts all built upon/within slow volume work at 75% effort etc..I could go on and on...but I am just so surprised at the way you guys train - I mean, yardage stuff - that was all tried out decades ago - what's happened to quality workouts with the goal of adaptation not overtraining and over duplicating workouts like a.m and p.m workouts - what DOES that do? What's this 'train every day for months and then taper'? Hey - don't workouts loose a hec of a lot of quality doing that over time and does not one get so fatigued that overtraining sets in? wow! Obviously it works for some but not me I'm afraid.
Anyway, I am loving my swimming and I will let you know how I get on with my cycling approach to the 1500m (and I may one day a 5k).
Cheers
