Few Senior Race Opportunities for Unranked Non-Elite Swimmers

I want to sponsor some local seniors meets for non-elite senior swimmers. How would I do that?

Many seniors serious swimmers, but have just begun swimming in their elder years. We are still good swimmers, better than most teenage recreational swimmers, but do not have the decades of experience necessary to be included in Master's meets. I got denied to race because of my slow time, relative to the experienced seniors in the race. Former olympic and national collegiate swimmers lap me. Ok. But the seniors I swim with could still outswim many of the local highschool swimmers. There is no place for us in meets however due to administrative overload and lack of lanes. I would love to sponsor some fun races for seniors in my local area. It would give us motivation to:

    •    Train harder and more confidently

    •    Enjoy the shared experience of swimming together

And frankly… seniors love fins and snorkels so I would include those in some fun events.

How would I start a senior Master team in my area in order to provide an opportunity to pool our resources, support one another, and gain the confidence to participate in swim races—primarily for fun, and occasionally for ranking?

The Current Problem for Seniors at Master’s Meets?

Without a senior-focused local team, we currently have very limited opportunities for meaningful competitive swimming or spectator camaraderie at meets.

1. Masters Meets Are Not Truly Senior-Focused

USMS Masters meets technically include 55+ age groups on paper (55–59, 60–64, 65–69, etc.), but in practice:

    •    Heats are combined with swimmers of many different ages

    •    Men and women may swim together in the same heat

    •    Seniors often feel pushed to the side in huge events

    •    Fun events are often missing due to time constraints

This is administratively understandable, but seniors do not receive a true senior-centered racing experience. It seems that only seniors with decades of competition experience are included in meets.

2. Qualifying Standards Can Be Unrealistic

Qualifying times for many Masters meets are unrealistic for anyone but highly experienced competitors. Unexperienced local seniors would benefit tremendously from being able to compete at our own level, but opportunities are limited—especially without a team presence.

3. Competing Alone Is Intimidating

While individuals can attend Masters meets unattached, it is very intimidating to do so alone—especially if:

    •    You are not nationally ranked

    •    Your times are slower compared to senior swimmers with decades of competition experience

    •    Space and time constraints bump slower swimmers

I was not allowed to compete in the last meet I registered for a Masters race due to my relatively slow time. This was very discouraging, because I can swim a 100 IM without being disqualified at 67, and I have come back to swimming in my elder years, and have trained for 3 years. 1 minute 40 seconds is good for me right now, but I can get better if I am motivated by future racing. Right now, there are no opportunities. For the record, I am faster than some of the teens and college age people in the pool and many could never even make it through the 100 IM. 

4. Seniors Cannot Compete Equally With Younger Athletes

We are good swimmers—often more fit than the general public—but seniors cannot realistically compete with younger swimmers due to age, especially octogenarians. Swimming is extremely beneficial for us, and a team would provide encouragement, fun, and motivation. Race training provides even more motivation and fun.

5. Senior Swimming Opportunities Are Limited in the U.S.

In England, there are more meet opportunities geared toward seniors. In the U.S., this type of senior-specific swimming is very limited. We want to race within our age group, not in mixed-age heats.

That’s fun.

What Novice Seniors Want

We want to:

    •    Race locally with swimmers in our appropriate age and gender group

    •    Have senior-accessible meets 

    •    Include “fun events” using fins and snorkels

Am I wrong?

  • I don't know what LMSC you are in but it feels wrong to exclude slower swimmers, regardless of age. USMS is an inclusive organization and unless it is a state, zone or national championship, there should be very little limitations to who can swim. You most likely run into limitations how many people can register for longer events but that has nothing to do with age.

    In Georgia, we welcome everyone and have had some 100+ age group swimmers compete in the past. That men and women are mixed is an argument you most likely won't win on a local level. That is done to run the meet efficiently for everyone. To be blatantly honest: no one wants to watch a 10min 100 freestyle heat for men where you have maybe 4 swimmers compete just for it to be followed by yet another 10min 100 freestyle heat for the women that is not a full heat when both of them can be combined.

    recognized meets or developmental meets (hand-stopwatches are used, times do not count for top 10 or records) are great ways to host smaller meets that you could run as a "senior-accessible" meet. Georgia hosts multiple ones every year.

    regarding your fun events: as soon as a meet is usms recognized or sanctioned, you are not allowed to offer fun events. Join GUS and you can do all of that fun and more. But USMS is dictating a lot what can and cannot be done at USMS meets.

  • I’m a USMS member, and at 65 years old, I’ve been an avid swimmer since right after h.s. Yet I’ve never been part of a coached team, or participated in pool meets. I’ve always trained for open water, and triathlon events. So, I don’t know what the answer is. But I’m pretty certain someone will chime in with some good recommendations. But, there are a couple comments in your post that caught my attention.
    First — But the seniors I swim with could still out swim many of the local high school swimmers.
    If they’re swimming that fast, then I’d think they’re good enough to be participating in USMS age group meets. I was probably at my best, youthful, physical condition in my late 20s/early 30s. I was on active duty in the Navy, and no one ever finished ahead of me in our 500yd fitness tests. In triathlons, I was usually one of the first people out of the water. And still, when I’d be in the pool while the local h.s. team practiced…even the slower kids on the team would blow past me with ease while they were doing their warmup, and I was in the middle of intervals. 
    Secondly —  We are good swimmers—often more fit than the general public—but seniors cannot realistically compete with younger swimmers due to age…
    That’s contradictory to the first comment. 
    I’m sure there is a solution to this. I have lots of swimming friends who are in the retirement years and DO participate in USMS meets regularly, matched against others in the same age group. And I’ve seen their results so I know it’s possible. Hopefully an elder with more USMS meet experience can offer some info.
    Dan
  • According to her profile, Laura is from Santa Clarita Valley, CA.

    Britta, I agree with you. As you know, I am slow, especially at 200 butterfly, but I have never been told I couldn't "race" it. Perhaps the meet situation is different in California, because of more competition?

  • Hi Laura,

    I am the Sanctions Chair for the Southern Pacific LMSC. We have Masters meets hosted in different parts of our LMSC to accommodate our members and everyone is welcome to participate. We have lots of unattached swimmers who enter and swim in our pool meets and open water events.

    We do seed the regular USMS meets by entered time, sexes and ages combined to manage the timelines. Our LMSC Championship multi-day meets do have women and men swim separate events, all ages combined. And many of our meets will have fun events and fun relays offered for all participants.

    Have you checked our website for upcoming meets? https://www.spmasterswim.org/meet-schedule/

    We have two SCY meets coming up in March - one in San Luis Obispo and one in Mission Viejo. Hope you can find something that will work for you.

    Robin Smith (coachrobinsmith@gmail.com)

    https://www.spmasterswim.org/

  • This is really helpful! Thank you!

  • youre right i did sound a little contradictory- i did not mean swim team highschoolers, i meant highschoolers in general. thanks for catching that. 

    Sounds like you have a wonderful background in swimming. I wish i would have started younger!

  • I will check your website thank you. I understand that the administrative aspect of running meets prevents everyone from getting everything we want, but I was hoping to have a way to limit a race to seniors who are not elite. I will check out your site for meets.

    Thanks!

  • Masters meets are different from USA Swimming meets. USA Swimming meets have entry time requirements and their rules require session time limits.

    Masters meets don’t have entry time requirements (except for USMS Nationals), and the time limit of the meet is based on the permit for the meet at the facility. We swim in heats with others of similar speed and ability (based on entered times), and results are reported by age group and sex, not by where someone placed in their heat. We have swimmers enter our meets from 18 yrs up to 100+ yrs of age. Everyone is welcoming and helpful, especially to those who are swimming in their first meet.

    There are also Senior Games Swimming Event meets. Senior Games are for participants aged 50 yrs of age and above. The Swimming Events are for both USMS and non-USMS members. SPMS will offer the Pasadena Senior Games and the Silver State Games (Las Vegas, NV) Swimming Event meets during the summer and fall. We will post the information on our LMSC website when we receive the dates and entry details from the organizers.

    One more thing, there are several Masters swim teams in your area. You can use the USMS Club Finder for more information if you want to check them out:  https://www.usms.org/clubs

    Happy Swimming!