The Butterfly Lane

I actually did the same exact thing as That GUy (we were next to each other). I did mine out of pure exhaustion going into the race though, knowing I wouldn't be able to "take it out" like I usually do. It was the easiest 200 Fly I'd ever done, and I made a run for it at the end, and almost caught That Guy too! :) We both ended up having best times in the race. Maybe this means I should change my approach at the 200 Fly??? NO WAY!!! Out like a rabbit is how I will be! :bliss: :banana: :bliss: Having a sooooooooooo bad time - after the joy of my first 100m LCM fly have returned home and back to the 25m pool ...... not good. I tried two 50s and managed the first slowly and on the second lasted until 40m and then started to sink .......... coach suggested I audition for the remake of The Crimson Tide ..... as the submarine :cane:

I've done this set (from Tall Paul's workout thread) twice now and it is a great fly set: 6x100 free - 1:20, 1x50 fly - :60 5x100 free - 1:20, 2x50 fly - :60 4x100 free - 1:20, 3x50 fly - :60 3x100 free - 1:20, 4x50 fly - :60 2x100 free - 1:20, 5x50 fly - :60 1x100 free - 1:20, 6x50 fly - :60 Highly recommend it!

DPS Fly: Ida Marko-Varga (Sweden) Thanks to Wookie for calling her to my attention. Stroke count for this 200 SCM fly: 5 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 7 + 7 + 9 + 10 = 56 strokes Splits (by my watch, from the YouTube): 29.98 + 33.05 + 33.51 + 32.83 = 2:09.37 Watch: 34_JRmnshC8 Ida Marko-Varga, 200 LCM fly, 2011 WC semi-finals, lane 8, 2:09.56: XFBYaBXMx6w DPS fly: It's an existence proof! This technique CAN be fast! It can also be slow! Swimosaur vs. Peter McCoy @ 2011 Auburn SCY: Stroke count for this 200 SCY fly: 3 + 5 + 6 + 6 + 6 + 7 + 7 + 7 = 47 strokes Peter kicks my sorry behind on the last 50 ... coM7NL9kEQA Your comments, please! I've found this technique to be very useful in the 200 fly & 400 IM, where by very useful I mean, I could not swim these events at all using the more common, traditional, high-stroke-count fly. What are the key tricks to making DPS fly faster? How can I beat Peter in February? Mine: + Of course I don't think DPS fly would be all that useful in the 50 & 100 fly & 100 IM. In the 200 IM, maybe a little. I'm most interested in the 400 IM & 200 fly. + Using this technique, perhaps the 400 IM & 200 fly would be more accessible to more masters swimmers. What do you think? Minimize the stroke count! + How the heck do people sustain 9 or 10 strokes per length in an SCY 200 fly? I would die like a dog after 75 yards. There is still some mechanical mystery here that I'm not grasping. How do people do 1650?

Your comments, please! I've found this technique to be very useful in the 200 fly & 400 IM, where by very useful I mean, I could not swim these events at all using the more common, traditional, high-stroke-count fly. What are the key tricks to making DPS fly faster? How can I beat Peter in February? Mine: + Of course I don't think DPS fly would be all that useful in the 50 & 100 fly & 100 IM. In the 200 IM, maybe a little. I'm most interested in the 400 IM & 200 fly. + Using this technique, perhaps the 400 IM & 200 fly would be more accessible to more masters swimmers. What do you think? Minimize the stroke count! + How the heck do people sustain 9 or 10 strokes per length in an SCY 200 fly? I would die like a dog after 75 yards. There is still some mechanical mystery here that I'm not grasping. How do people do 1650? Good job! I haven't messed with DPS fly but I think I might try it out. It might hold the key to aerobic fly, which I've never been able to do. I would treat it like a different stroke, just like I think of straight-arm freestyle and bent-arm freestyle as being different strokes.

I messed around with DPS fly this morning a little bit after an IM main set. My own interpretation of DPS fly is to do three kicks for each stroke instead of two. Here's what I flog'd: second set (500 fly) 100 slow fly on 2:00 went 1:20 w/ 3 kicks per stroke 75 slow fly on 1:30 went 1:00 w/ 3 kicks per stroke 50 slow fly on 1:00 went 37 w/ 3 kicks per stroke 25 fly on 30 went 17 and was all over the place, managed to experiment with 3 different speeds within a single 25 100 easy on 2:00 100 fly on 2:00 went 1:11 75 fly on 1:30 went 52 50 fly on 1:00 went 33? 25 fly on 30 went 17 200 easy

My own interpretation of DPS fly is to do three kicks for each stroke instead of two ... Yes. I do 3 kicks per stroke. I haven't been able to tell what Ida Marko-Varga does. I've also done a lot of playing around with strokes per length. One of my favorite drills is to do 8 x 50 ... the first two are at 4 spl, then two at 5 spl, then two at 6 spl, then two at 7 spl. This helps with the various rhythms. In your sets this morning, did you count strokes per length?

Yes. I do 3 kicks per stroke. I haven't been able to tell what Ida Marko-Varga does. I've also done a lot of playing around with strokes per length. One of my favorite drills is to do 8 x 50 ... the first two are at 4 spl, then two at 5 spl, then two at 6 spl, then two at 7 spl. This helps with the various rhythms. In your sets this morning, did you count strokes per length? I think I was taking 5-6 strokes per length, but I don't remember exactly.

How can I beat Peter in February? The good news is that I'm thinking about swimming the 1650 2 events before the showdown. + How the heck do people sustain 9 or 10 strokes per length in an SCY 200 fly? I would die like a dog after 75 yards. There is still some mechanical mystery here that I'm not grasping. How do people do 1650? My trick is I swim with a fly-happy bunch that thrives on feeling pain for long distances. It's kind of an adapt or die thing. We do a lot of sets like 4 x 100 convert free to fly on 1:30. We do occasional 500 easy fly sets. I also start each practice off with an easy 400 IM. By the time the meet rolls around, 200 fly doesn't seem quite so bad (it still hurts though). Some things I see in the video (note... I'm no expert at fly): - Your sdks are better than mine and you kick underwater a lot longer. Not sure if that is good or bad. I like to get O2 as soon as possible... probably way too soon. I'm not a very good SDKer either so I'm probably better off on top of the water. - Kind of hard to tell from the video but you seem have more of and up/down motion in your stroke than I do. I used to do a lot more of that when I slowed down my fly. Recently, I've worked on staying flatter with easy fly. It seems to help a lot. - I'm doing 9-10 strokes per length in the video because of some inefficiencies. IMO, I have excessive knee bend when I kick and my toes are pointed straight down. I've fixed a lot of that and I'm down to about 8 strokes/length. If I sdk'd like you do, I could probably go 6-7. Also, look at the Sept-Oct issue of Swimmer Magazine. That helped me a LOT with my hand position. That's my opinion. Hopefully someone will correct anything that is way out of line.

I think I was taking 5-6 strokes per length, but I don't remember exactly. I am totally OCD about counting strokes. The stroke count determines the breath count, and when you're talking about only 6 or 7 breaths per length, it matters. (I run out of air pretty easily in a 200 fly.)

The good news is that I'm thinking about swimming the 1650 2 events before the showdown. DoitDoitDoitDoitDoit. One intriguing thing about the event order at Auburn -- I'm sure you've noticed -- they put all the "Brute Squad" events on the first day. I'm probably not going to do it this year, but next year Auburn will be the last meet in my current age group, so I'm thinking about doing them all on the same day (as well as other totally insane things like maybe even a breaststroke event! :eek:) ... you seem have more of and up/down motion in your stroke than I do ... Also, look at the Sept-Oct issue of Swimmer Magazine. That helped me a LOT with my hand position. Thanks! I've been working on keeping the stroke flatter, but unfortunately it hasn't yet translated into faster times. I've swum the 200 fly in meets 5 times now, all this year (2 SCY, 2 SCM, 1 LCM). I'm a lot less intimidated by it than I was this time last year. I will take another look at Sept-Oct Swimmer for more tips.