Ultra Short Training At Race Pace

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coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../ultra40a.pdf There is a method, which is referred to as the Rushall method which Michael Andrew uses. Was wondering if you had any critique about this. If this sort of training is a good idea and what are the problems. Would this also be good for longer events? Like the 400 IM? Thanks!
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    I believe you are mistaken. But why waste your time on me? Take it up with Dr. Rushall. He does not suffer fools, but I have always known him to be willing to listen to reasonable arguments. Dogmatic, anecdotal assertions, however, unsupported by evidence, will not get you very far. True. But it only takes one example to prove me wrong. He has presented the set to do well over a year ago. If the set was doable at race pace by a fast sprinter then surely one would be around to say "I did it" or "I know someone who did it". You are right that I was being a bit hyperbolic when I said not doable by anyone on the planet. Really what I am saying is that a fast sprinter would have massive fatigue well before completion - I assume it would be central nervous system fatigue but that is just speculation on my part. By the way - I have tried the set and I have seen others try it too. My guess is that race pace may be achieved for a 1/3 of them but that you are operating slightly slower than race pace for about 2/3 of them. Also I am not saying it is a bad set. I like the set and I think it helps with 50s and 100s and underwaters and sprinting speed. My point is that the set might be good - but not for the reason that it maximizes race pace yardage.
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    I believe you are mistaken. But why waste your time on me? Take it up with Dr. Rushall. He does not suffer fools, but I have always known him to be willing to listen to reasonable arguments. Dogmatic, anecdotal assertions, however, unsupported by evidence, will not get you very far. True. But it only takes one example to prove me wrong. He has presented the set to do well over a year ago. If the set was doable at race pace by a fast sprinter then surely one would be around to say "I did it" or "I know someone who did it". You are right that I was being a bit hyperbolic when I said not doable by anyone on the planet. Really what I am saying is that a fast sprinter would have massive fatigue well before completion - I assume it would be central nervous system fatigue but that is just speculation on my part. By the way - I have tried the set and I have seen others try it too. My guess is that race pace may be achieved for a 1/3 of them but that you are operating slightly slower than race pace for about 2/3 of them. Also I am not saying it is a bad set. I like the set and I think it helps with 50s and 100s and underwaters and sprinting speed. My point is that the set might be good - but not for the reason that it maximizes race pace yardage.
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