Ultra Short Training At Race Pace

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coachsci.sdsu.edu/.../ultra40a.pdf There is a method, which is referred to as the Rushall method which Michael Andrew uses. Was wondering if you had any critique about this. If this sort of training is a good idea and what are the problems. Would this also be good for longer events? Like the 400 IM? Thanks!
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  • I know short fast training works because I've done it, and when I did it, I swam well. My training probably wasn't exactly how Rushall recommends. The years I did it were: Nov 1990 - July 1992 1990 50 FR 21.0, 100 FR 46.0 1991 SCY 50 FR 20.52*, 100 FR 46.40 LCM 50 FR 23.65*, 50 FL 25.74 (*done in USS meets) 1992 LCM 50 FL 25.68 1996 & 1996 1995 SCY 50 FR 21.06, 100 FR 46.40, 50 FL 23.22, 50 BK 24.49 1996 SCY 50 FR 21.46, 100 FR 46.79, 50 BK 24.61 2008 2008 SCY 50 FR 21.43, 50 FL 23.20, 50 BK 24.41 (for comparison my 2007 times were) 2007 SCY 50 FR 22.30, 50 FL 23.93, 50 BK 25.75 from Top 10 (Rushall says:) "dryland training will not benefit me at all" I disagree with "dryland training will not benefit me at all." Where did Rushall write that? What was his exact phrasing? For me, strength training is critical to swimming fast. The years I swam my fastest, were the ones when I did short fast training in the pool and got stronger from weights. I was stronger during those years than I was in the years before or after. Strength is a critical component for speed. There is a point of diminishing returns where swimmers might be too big, too strong, and/or too muscular. Which is why body builders and power lifters tend to not be fast swimmers. But most swimmers are no where near the point of being too muscular, too big or too strong. Josh Schneider might be close, he has a great 50 free but doesn't hold up as well in his LCM 100 FR. 2012 USA OLYMPIC TRIALS Men 50 LC Meter Freestyle Finals 1 Jones, Cullen 28 MAC-NC 21.59 908 2 Ervin, Anthony 31 CAL-PC/Undercurr 21.60 907 3 Adrian, Nathan 23 CAL-PC/Tacoma 21.68 897 4 Schneider, Josh 24 MAC-NC 21.78 884 5 Feigen, Jimmy 22 TXLA-ST/Univ. of 21.93 866 6 Grevers, Matt 27 FORD-AZ 22.09 848 7 Small, Adam 22 ZONA-AZ 22.38 815 8 Schnur, Jason 21 OSU-OH 22.53 799 Men 100 LC Meter Freestyle Preliminaries 1 Robison, Scot 23 NSS-NC/UVA 49.08 q873 23.56 25.52 2 Adrian, Nathan 23 CAL-PC/Tacoma 49.17 q868 23.32 25.85 3 Grevers, Matt 27 FORD-AZ 49.24 q864 23.65 25.59 4 Feigen, Jimmy 22 TXLA-ST/Univ. of 49.29 q862 23.33 25.96 5 Lochte, Ryan 27 DBS-FL/Florida 49.33 q859 23.99 25.34 6 Weber-Gale, Garrett 26 TXLA-ST 49.34 q859 23.77 25.57 7 Berens, Ricky 24 TROJ-CA 49.35 q858 24.21 25.14 8 Schneider, Josh 24 MAC-NC 49.37 q857 22.99 26.38 Semi-Finals 1 Adrian, Nathan 23 CAL-PC/Tacoma 48.33 q914 22.64 25.69 2 Feigen, Jimmy 22 TXLA-ST/Univ. of 48.48 q905 22.98 25.50 3 Grevers, Matt 27 FORD-AZ 48.71 q893 22.94 25.77 4 Berens, Ricky 24 TROJ-CA 48.85 q885 23.85 25.00 *5 Robison, Scot 23 NSS-NC/UVA 48.91 q882 23.38 25.53 *5 Lochte, Ryan 27 DBS-FL/Florida 48.91 q882 23.61 25.30 7 Weber-Gale, Garrett 26 TXLA-ST 48.98 q878 23.45 25.53 8 Jones, Cullen 28 MAC-NC 49.03 q875 23.63 25.40 9 Lezak, Jason 36 ROSE-CA 49.05 874 23.55 25.50 10 Walters, David 24 TROJ-CA 49.34 859 23.72 25.62 11 Coville, Alex 23 STAN-PC 49.39 856 23.59 25.80 12 Ellis, Matt 18 NTRO-ST 49.44 854 24.03 25.41 13 Ervin, Anthony 31 CAL-PC/Undercurr 49.46 853 23.14 26.32 14 Savulich, Bobby 24 CW-MI 49.47 852 23.63 25.84 15 Schneider, Josh 24 MAC-NC 49.77 837 23.35 26.42 16 Brunelli, Nick 30 MAC-NC 49.85 833 23.60 26.25
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  • I know short fast training works because I've done it, and when I did it, I swam well. My training probably wasn't exactly how Rushall recommends. The years I did it were: Nov 1990 - July 1992 1990 50 FR 21.0, 100 FR 46.0 1991 SCY 50 FR 20.52*, 100 FR 46.40 LCM 50 FR 23.65*, 50 FL 25.74 (*done in USS meets) 1992 LCM 50 FL 25.68 1996 & 1996 1995 SCY 50 FR 21.06, 100 FR 46.40, 50 FL 23.22, 50 BK 24.49 1996 SCY 50 FR 21.46, 100 FR 46.79, 50 BK 24.61 2008 2008 SCY 50 FR 21.43, 50 FL 23.20, 50 BK 24.41 (for comparison my 2007 times were) 2007 SCY 50 FR 22.30, 50 FL 23.93, 50 BK 25.75 from Top 10 (Rushall says:) "dryland training will not benefit me at all" I disagree with "dryland training will not benefit me at all." Where did Rushall write that? What was his exact phrasing? For me, strength training is critical to swimming fast. The years I swam my fastest, were the ones when I did short fast training in the pool and got stronger from weights. I was stronger during those years than I was in the years before or after. Strength is a critical component for speed. There is a point of diminishing returns where swimmers might be too big, too strong, and/or too muscular. Which is why body builders and power lifters tend to not be fast swimmers. But most swimmers are no where near the point of being too muscular, too big or too strong. Josh Schneider might be close, he has a great 50 free but doesn't hold up as well in his LCM 100 FR. 2012 USA OLYMPIC TRIALS Men 50 LC Meter Freestyle Finals 1 Jones, Cullen 28 MAC-NC 21.59 908 2 Ervin, Anthony 31 CAL-PC/Undercurr 21.60 907 3 Adrian, Nathan 23 CAL-PC/Tacoma 21.68 897 4 Schneider, Josh 24 MAC-NC 21.78 884 5 Feigen, Jimmy 22 TXLA-ST/Univ. of 21.93 866 6 Grevers, Matt 27 FORD-AZ 22.09 848 7 Small, Adam 22 ZONA-AZ 22.38 815 8 Schnur, Jason 21 OSU-OH 22.53 799 Men 100 LC Meter Freestyle Preliminaries 1 Robison, Scot 23 NSS-NC/UVA 49.08 q873 23.56 25.52 2 Adrian, Nathan 23 CAL-PC/Tacoma 49.17 q868 23.32 25.85 3 Grevers, Matt 27 FORD-AZ 49.24 q864 23.65 25.59 4 Feigen, Jimmy 22 TXLA-ST/Univ. of 49.29 q862 23.33 25.96 5 Lochte, Ryan 27 DBS-FL/Florida 49.33 q859 23.99 25.34 6 Weber-Gale, Garrett 26 TXLA-ST 49.34 q859 23.77 25.57 7 Berens, Ricky 24 TROJ-CA 49.35 q858 24.21 25.14 8 Schneider, Josh 24 MAC-NC 49.37 q857 22.99 26.38 Semi-Finals 1 Adrian, Nathan 23 CAL-PC/Tacoma 48.33 q914 22.64 25.69 2 Feigen, Jimmy 22 TXLA-ST/Univ. of 48.48 q905 22.98 25.50 3 Grevers, Matt 27 FORD-AZ 48.71 q893 22.94 25.77 4 Berens, Ricky 24 TROJ-CA 48.85 q885 23.85 25.00 *5 Robison, Scot 23 NSS-NC/UVA 48.91 q882 23.38 25.53 *5 Lochte, Ryan 27 DBS-FL/Florida 48.91 q882 23.61 25.30 7 Weber-Gale, Garrett 26 TXLA-ST 48.98 q878 23.45 25.53 8 Jones, Cullen 28 MAC-NC 49.03 q875 23.63 25.40 9 Lezak, Jason 36 ROSE-CA 49.05 874 23.55 25.50 10 Walters, David 24 TROJ-CA 49.34 859 23.72 25.62 11 Coville, Alex 23 STAN-PC 49.39 856 23.59 25.80 12 Ellis, Matt 18 NTRO-ST 49.44 854 24.03 25.41 13 Ervin, Anthony 31 CAL-PC/Undercurr 49.46 853 23.14 26.32 14 Savulich, Bobby 24 CW-MI 49.47 852 23.63 25.84 15 Schneider, Josh 24 MAC-NC 49.77 837 23.35 26.42 16 Brunelli, Nick 30 MAC-NC 49.85 833 23.60 26.25
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