Goal this year was to do an organized 4.8 mile OWS, but they moved it from Oct. to Aug. As in this Sunday. Just need a little input from those that have done longer swims (and those that haven't). I've done about 200K yds this year,mostly at masters at 3K a pop. Just getting over an ear infection killed the last couple weeks.
Did our 2 local 2 mile pier to pier without a wetsuit in about 59 a couple weeks ago, but have only swam two miles straight twice this year. Can do 4K in a pool in about 1:15 without too many issues, including some IM and kick work, but that's about only halfway there. My 1.2 half ironman time is 30.
The swim would be in a wetsuit and the format (strange) would consist of four 1.2 mile legs where you have to come in to the beach (and the last two are loops, so we only start a couple miles down the beach). that's good and bad, I can rest, get fluids, etc., but getting in/out off the beach is where the effort comes in. But I can also bail every 30 minutes or so
There's a 2.4 mile option that I can fall back on, but I wanted to do the 4.8....
Just looking for objective advice whether this is stupid? go for it? It's not a typical safety open water question with the leg format. If it were a straight 4.8 I wouldn't consider it.
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Not to take anything away from that, but I wouldn't pay any attention to the per yard rate. There are a lot of things in the open water that make it virtually impossible to compare speeds from one race to another. Between current, inaccuracies in measuring distance, etc., a per yard rate can vary wildly from one race to another.
For instance, I did two 2.4 mile races in the ocean this year, exactly one week apart. One took me 62:41. The other took 47:30. These were both point to point races, so there was little difference in the actual distance swum. There was a big current assist on the second, while the current was actually against us a little on part of the first.
I agree that conditions play a big part in open water times. Chop and swells slow you down, and currents throw all bets off. But, based on the course map, I don't think current was a major factor.
The only possible current assist on this swim would be a current that goes south to north. (The in and out would cancel each other out.) If there were a south-to-north current assist, the last two legs would be the slowest, since those are the only loops where the swimmers have to swim south. His splits don't show any evidence of that: 32:30, 36:45, 33:00, 33:22.
Another factor you can use to gauge performance in an open water competition is overall place. That's even more fickle than 100-yard pace IMO, but a useful data point nonetheless. CrisM was in the top 40% in this race. That's about where I'd expect a 59-minute 2-miler to land him.
And, even if you throw out both of those data points, there's the consistency of his splits. The 2nd leg was the slowest. (I'm guessing that's mental--Oh no! I'm not even halfway thru.) But the other splits are remarkably consistent. Without training for long distance, I would have expected the last loops to be slower.
I went to a lecture on goal setting recently, where the speaker mentioned that the marathon at the end of an Ironman should only be 4% slower than a marathon on fresh legs. That blew me away. My instinct is not to race when I think I'm in over my head--maybe that's a mistake.
www.distanceswimchallenge.com/.../course_map2.jpg
Not to take anything away from that, but I wouldn't pay any attention to the per yard rate. There are a lot of things in the open water that make it virtually impossible to compare speeds from one race to another. Between current, inaccuracies in measuring distance, etc., a per yard rate can vary wildly from one race to another.
For instance, I did two 2.4 mile races in the ocean this year, exactly one week apart. One took me 62:41. The other took 47:30. These were both point to point races, so there was little difference in the actual distance swum. There was a big current assist on the second, while the current was actually against us a little on part of the first.
I agree that conditions play a big part in open water times. Chop and swells slow you down, and currents throw all bets off. But, based on the course map, I don't think current was a major factor.
The only possible current assist on this swim would be a current that goes south to north. (The in and out would cancel each other out.) If there were a south-to-north current assist, the last two legs would be the slowest, since those are the only loops where the swimmers have to swim south. His splits don't show any evidence of that: 32:30, 36:45, 33:00, 33:22.
Another factor you can use to gauge performance in an open water competition is overall place. That's even more fickle than 100-yard pace IMO, but a useful data point nonetheless. CrisM was in the top 40% in this race. That's about where I'd expect a 59-minute 2-miler to land him.
And, even if you throw out both of those data points, there's the consistency of his splits. The 2nd leg was the slowest. (I'm guessing that's mental--Oh no! I'm not even halfway thru.) But the other splits are remarkably consistent. Without training for long distance, I would have expected the last loops to be slower.
I went to a lecture on goal setting recently, where the speaker mentioned that the marathon at the end of an Ironman should only be 4% slower than a marathon on fresh legs. That blew me away. My instinct is not to race when I think I'm in over my head--maybe that's a mistake.
www.distanceswimchallenge.com/.../course_map2.jpg
