Ok, so the more they email me, the more I get nervous about the water temp. Last year it was 69 which stung to get in, but it made for a nice swimming temp. By the end, though, my fingers and toes felt a little numb, but that could have been tired (??).
But this year, it could be up to 10 degrees colder?! What to do when the coolest water I can find here in Cincinnati is 80?
Now that is funny. Your signature says "God bless America", but you're still "pissed off" over last year's shirt depicting President (then candidate) Obama wearing goggles. Fear not--it may yet be determined that he is not really a US citizen.
Just when the thread seems to be dying, Gull throws a grenade into the room.:)
Man...did I make a mistake... I simply posted a question concerning water temperature, and now my inbox has been flooded with all these replies... Seems to me that 1. Big Sholders needs to do a better job policeing their course, they should KNOW no one cut a bouy.... And I am sure they will do better in the future. 2. Based on best information availabled Andy won the race. Speculate all you want, put an * by his name in your copy of past years results if it makes you feel better. but Give it a rest, the results are not going to be changed, as they shouldnt without concrete proof... as was told to me over my concern of last years T-Shirt controversy, "it is just a swim meet." (which pisses me off to this day) Besides, when was the last time a "race" held in Chicago didnt have some controversy...
Now that is funny. Your signature says "God bless America", but you're still "pissed off" over last year's shirt depicting President (then candidate) Obama wearing goggles. Fear not--it may yet be determined that he is not really a US citizen.
I think correcting a wrong is worthy of my attention. But there does come a time when everything that can be said has been said. We have got to be darn close to that point!
I agree that correcting a wrong is important. But, in this case, the time to correct the wrong has long passed so all you are really doing is trying to humiliate a person publicly, which really isn't correcting any wrong - it's just wrong.
Did you personally swim this race? Did you confront the RD at the race? Have you spoke to Andy privately? What is the point of doing this on a public forum?
I have to agree. What better place to discuss the results from a USMS championship event than a thread on the USMS forums devoted to that event?
I also agree that we're getting to the point where there isn't much left to be said.
I don't get all bent out of shape and obsess for weeks about someone else's swim. Can't you just let it go?
You are not being honest, Geek. Your method is to take pot-shots at people and pretend that you dont actually care. And then you want to make sure you get the last word in. You do not fool anyone but yourself.
I think correcting a wrong is worthy of my attention. But there does come a time when everything that can be said has been said. We have got to be darn close to that point!
Re: Andy Seibt G.O.A.T.
I don’t follow the discussion forums. I have more important things to do with my life. But when several friends ask me if I’ve been following the Andy Seibt controversy I took a look. To Lefy: get a life. Slick analyses, clearly you’ve put a lot of time into your self made issue but without all the facts and ultimately for what purpose? At least pkerch mostly takes the high road to suggest things that might be improved in running an OW event. But you want nothing more than a platform to demean and humiliate quite possibly an athlete’s finest moment of his life.
Let’s throw a few more facts into the mix. Andy swam the 400 meters at LC Nats going 4:41.63. 20 hours later he swam the 1st 400 of the 1500 in 4:37.87. I am sure your conclusion is that is only possible if Andy flipped 10 yards away from one turn and nobody noticed. Yes you will now point at that 4:37 pace translates to a 57:45, 5K. However, you are attacking both Andy’s achievement and integrity not the integrity of the race course which is one factor that can explain this curiosity. Nor do you have any facts about Andy’s training and taper focus for this summers’ competitions.
More: in 2000 Andy swam the FINA World Masters 5K in 59:24. Why can’t he swim 3 minutes faster with a stronger training focus, ideal conditions AND superior swim suit technology, especially the latter?
More facts: I swam my best BS 5k time ever in the 12 years doing this event. I beat my time from 2000 (same year as Andy’s :59) when I won the 5K National Championship. The guy I beat in 2000, by a mere 3 seconds, beat me this year by 3.5 minutes to win my division. Maybe I should question his win. I mean how can a 55 yo swim 3.5 minutes faster than he did as a 45 yo? Oh, what a coincidence, that is little more than Andy’s time improvement over the same period. ALSO – I know who the swimmer was that turned at the 1st orange buoy. We were chatting on the beach after the race exchanging “war stories”. This is what he told me. “I would have been faster but, I turned left at the 1st buoy and all of a sudden, there was nobody in front of me. After about 5 strokes I looked around and discovered my error and turned right to head for the orange turning buoy. What I feel bad is for all the swimmers who followed me and did not correct when I did. I wonder how much time they lost?” My friend wore a white cap, and it was not Andy who told me the story.
More: I swam 8 minutes faster than my BS 5K from 2007. Quite an improvement for a 56 yo! I sure am glad I fell under the radar so I would not be swamped with innuendos about cheating.
More: Within hours of his swim, long before goats raised any issues, Andy told me how this may have been the swim of his life and how he did it. Besides training and focus, he also told me how he swam straight between the buoys avoiding almost every swimmer along the way, most of whom veered slightly or a lot too far right.
By throwing out select circumstantial facts you then attempt to lead us into only two possible conclusions, “I mean one of two things: either he cheated or he made an honest mistake”. I offer two other possible explanations. It is plausible that the timing system messed up. Unless someone has pictures of Andy approaching the finish line showing a clock time of other than 9:06, that remains a possibility. There is also the more realistic possibility that he did the time! I say how dare you attack a person’s integrity with incomplete and flawed circumstantial evidence. If your intent was really: “when you see something is wrong, ………… If you feel that I have lambasted the guy then I have missed my mark. Because ………… I do not blame him and in fact I feel sorry for him. But wrong is wrong.” Then why the vitriolic personal attacks? However, herein there clearly is something wrong that does have to be addressed: it is your personalizing what could be, should be questions of OW events procedures not attacks on Andy.
Finally, and maybe I took the posts too seriously on this issue “I would love to have any training or nutrition tips as to how to improve to that extent” and regarding the list of 20 + questions……... Andy trains very hard and seriously, especially this past season which he survived without injury, for the 1st time in a long time. And don’t be crazy. Why should he give away his secrets to success when he can sell his formula. We are thinking about collaborating on a training book We were going to call it “Age is only a Number” but since that title is taken we are considering “GOAT is Just a Bitter Wantta Be”
Congratulations Andy, I’ve had a few “swims of my life” over the past 45 years, the last one 9 years ago. I still strive and train hard for the next one. You keep many of us inspired with hope that age does not matter.
In the end Andy has nothing to prove but to himself.
