Does swimming "inform" muscle growth? A dryland/weights q.
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Ok, so here's the thing. I know well and good by now that swimming does not really build substantial muscle mass. If there was any doubt, all you'd have to do is look at someone like Mark Spitz- an Olympic champion who clearly would have swam enough to see any of the benefits swimming had to offer:
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Compare that though to today's champions:
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Obviously huge by comparison. Now, the simple answer might be "weights. These guys do a lot more dryland than they did back in the day". But here's the thing- in all my years of lifting, I have never once seen anyone lifting beside me at the gym built like these guys. The people I see are jacked, sure, but proportioned very differently- and I've seen hundreds if not thousands of guys who were serious about weights!
The only time I *did* see, in person, people who looked like the pics above were, no big surprise, the guys on the local college's swim team.
So I contacted the coach and she was kind enough to send me their dryland routine- and guess what? Incline bench, deadlifts, flys, laterals, etc. etc. etc. In other words, the same identical program that countless weightlifters use every day. There was no magic formula to it.
So this left me really confused. Swimming alone doesn't build this sort of physique. But weights alone don't do it either.
Is their some sort of magic I'm missing here? Does something happen with the combination of the two that results in this type of build?
Please chime in if you have a lot of dryland experience or, even more so, if you're actually built like this from doing these things!
Thanks so much for your help,
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The problem is Jazz Hands is too busy with put downs and **** talking to be a constructive addition to this conversation. That's okay though, I plan to keep posting and dealing with the friendlies on here while he can scream as loud as he wants. That's the beauty of a forum, our access is equal.
Actually "Bro" (if that is your real name), I answered your question, and only started making fun of you when you responded with the zombie bodybuilder lat pose nonsense. That particular post was so blindingly stupid that it caused me to experience an episode of stupidity-induced hysteria. I am deeply sorry.
If you want to go point by point:
1. I said that swimmers, especially from swim training in childhood (!!!) might tend to have preferential muscle growth in major swimming muscles, the most majorest of which is the lats.
2. I further said that bodybuilders and most gym bros focus on a different set of muscles. There are very few gym bros who aren't focusing on biceps curls and tons of bench press variations. Anterior deltoid and biceps development in abundance. Meanwhile, the prevailing aesthetic of competitive bodybuilding values certain peripheral muscles. A "balanced" physique in bodybuilding required some freaking large upper arms, etc. But what's balanced for bodybuilding is not necessarily the same as what's balanced for swimming.
3. I said that if you focus on the large muscles of the torso, such as the lats, in your weight training, instead of having an "arm day" as most bodybuilders do, you will develop in more swimmerly proportions.
4. You responded by showing a picture of a competitive bodybuilder (!?!?!) to make the point that... lats... are... bad? I don't even know anymore. I think maybe you're freaked out by the sheer size of the bodybuilder? Don't worry: that will not happen to you unless you start using steroids. Also, as Paul pointed out, that pose is a special technique to over-emphasize the lats. A person of fairly normal size with good overall muscle development and strong lats looks like what you seeeeem to want to look like.
And I'll repeat this: I have given a training program to a non-swimmer, which training program included no swimming, and the guy developed a swimmery V shape from doing dips, chins, and deadlifts. And no swimming. I love swimming, and I do think it's great for many aspects of overall physical fitness if you enjoy it, but it's not necessary for your still-somewhat-blurry goals.
The problem is Jazz Hands is too busy with put downs and **** talking to be a constructive addition to this conversation. That's okay though, I plan to keep posting and dealing with the friendlies on here while he can scream as loud as he wants. That's the beauty of a forum, our access is equal.
Actually "Bro" (if that is your real name), I answered your question, and only started making fun of you when you responded with the zombie bodybuilder lat pose nonsense. That particular post was so blindingly stupid that it caused me to experience an episode of stupidity-induced hysteria. I am deeply sorry.
If you want to go point by point:
1. I said that swimmers, especially from swim training in childhood (!!!) might tend to have preferential muscle growth in major swimming muscles, the most majorest of which is the lats.
2. I further said that bodybuilders and most gym bros focus on a different set of muscles. There are very few gym bros who aren't focusing on biceps curls and tons of bench press variations. Anterior deltoid and biceps development in abundance. Meanwhile, the prevailing aesthetic of competitive bodybuilding values certain peripheral muscles. A "balanced" physique in bodybuilding required some freaking large upper arms, etc. But what's balanced for bodybuilding is not necessarily the same as what's balanced for swimming.
3. I said that if you focus on the large muscles of the torso, such as the lats, in your weight training, instead of having an "arm day" as most bodybuilders do, you will develop in more swimmerly proportions.
4. You responded by showing a picture of a competitive bodybuilder (!?!?!) to make the point that... lats... are... bad? I don't even know anymore. I think maybe you're freaked out by the sheer size of the bodybuilder? Don't worry: that will not happen to you unless you start using steroids. Also, as Paul pointed out, that pose is a special technique to over-emphasize the lats. A person of fairly normal size with good overall muscle development and strong lats looks like what you seeeeem to want to look like.
And I'll repeat this: I have given a training program to a non-swimmer, which training program included no swimming, and the guy developed a swimmery V shape from doing dips, chins, and deadlifts. And no swimming. I love swimming, and I do think it's great for many aspects of overall physical fitness if you enjoy it, but it's not necessary for your still-somewhat-blurry goals.