Does swimming "inform" muscle growth? A dryland/weights q.
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Ok, so here's the thing. I know well and good by now that swimming does not really build substantial muscle mass. If there was any doubt, all you'd have to do is look at someone like Mark Spitz- an Olympic champion who clearly would have swam enough to see any of the benefits swimming had to offer:
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Compare that though to today's champions:
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Obviously huge by comparison. Now, the simple answer might be "weights. These guys do a lot more dryland than they did back in the day". But here's the thing- in all my years of lifting, I have never once seen anyone lifting beside me at the gym built like these guys. The people I see are jacked, sure, but proportioned very differently- and I've seen hundreds if not thousands of guys who were serious about weights!
The only time I *did* see, in person, people who looked like the pics above were, no big surprise, the guys on the local college's swim team.
So I contacted the coach and she was kind enough to send me their dryland routine- and guess what? Incline bench, deadlifts, flys, laterals, etc. etc. etc. In other words, the same identical program that countless weightlifters use every day. There was no magic formula to it.
So this left me really confused. Swimming alone doesn't build this sort of physique. But weights alone don't do it either.
Is their some sort of magic I'm missing here? Does something happen with the combination of the two that results in this type of build?
Please chime in if you have a lot of dryland experience or, even more so, if you're actually built like this from doing these things!
Thanks so much for your help,
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Thanks guys, this is all very useful information! To now take it one step further (and this may be difficult), any ideas on a useful ratio of water time to weight time, and what to *do* in the water? I know this is trying to select out for a minor side benefit of your sport, so maybe it's impossible, but you've been so helpful thus far, figured I'd give it a shot.
To recap, my current approach is simple 1:1 weight day/water day alternation, and on water days I'm just going for all out sprints for maximum distance in two of the four strokes, looking to increase distance each time, ala killer sets in weights.
Your input is very much appreciated!
I don't think you read what Wolf wrote.
He said, with emphasis, all other factors equal you will see the following differences. But all other factors are not equal. Like, food. A lot of swimmers who also lift weights find that pool time makes them hungrier and/or makes them slightly fatter (some experience the opposite effect).
Also, notice how one of the people in Paul's hypothetical is doing half as much stuff. There are a ton of things this person could be doing with the extra time. If you want to be lean, running might be better use of your time than swimming, from what a lot of people say. Then again, that might not work for you individually.
I think you have come here with some stupid idea about how swimming is totally the key to getting the body of your dreams. It's actually going to have a marginal effect compared to targeted strength training and diet. You say you've been lifting weights super hard since your last pointless thread, but you posted the exact same photo of what you look like. So where's your progress? How much stronger are you now than you were then? What's your plan? Let me guess: nowhere, not at all, and "I dunno, but Jazz Hands is mean, so he must be wrong."
Thanks guys, this is all very useful information! To now take it one step further (and this may be difficult), any ideas on a useful ratio of water time to weight time, and what to *do* in the water? I know this is trying to select out for a minor side benefit of your sport, so maybe it's impossible, but you've been so helpful thus far, figured I'd give it a shot.
To recap, my current approach is simple 1:1 weight day/water day alternation, and on water days I'm just going for all out sprints for maximum distance in two of the four strokes, looking to increase distance each time, ala killer sets in weights.
Your input is very much appreciated!
I don't think you read what Wolf wrote.
He said, with emphasis, all other factors equal you will see the following differences. But all other factors are not equal. Like, food. A lot of swimmers who also lift weights find that pool time makes them hungrier and/or makes them slightly fatter (some experience the opposite effect).
Also, notice how one of the people in Paul's hypothetical is doing half as much stuff. There are a ton of things this person could be doing with the extra time. If you want to be lean, running might be better use of your time than swimming, from what a lot of people say. Then again, that might not work for you individually.
I think you have come here with some stupid idea about how swimming is totally the key to getting the body of your dreams. It's actually going to have a marginal effect compared to targeted strength training and diet. You say you've been lifting weights super hard since your last pointless thread, but you posted the exact same photo of what you look like. So where's your progress? How much stronger are you now than you were then? What's your plan? Let me guess: nowhere, not at all, and "I dunno, but Jazz Hands is mean, so he must be wrong."
