Hi all,
I've searched and read the various threads, here and elsewhere on technical suits, and Ande's tech suit history thread. (I think Ande was the originator of that thread!) I didn't find any where someone voiced a clear preference between these two older technology suits. (I hope this doesn't end up a duplicate - my original post doesn't seem to have made it up. I apologize if it does duplicate!)
My daughter has started swimming age group and some of the USA Swimming meets have open age entry, depending on the host team. Her meet April 30/May 1 has open age so I've got myself in there for some 100s and a 200fr. SCY.
I am curious if someone with experience with both the TYR Fusion2 and Speedo Aquablade men's jammer can share any preference or recommendation between these two. I'd like to give a technical suit a try, but I'm not ready to spend $120 to $WOW! on a latest version technical suit.
What do you think? Do you think there is much of any difference between these two? I'll probably get a Yinga as well, but I know that SO can get them to me before the meet.
Any thoughts or advice is certainly appreciated! See if this old curmudgeon can get any help from a fresh suit and surprise the your whipper-snappers! :cane:
Cheers,
Popeye
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~You'd be hard pressed to quantify the time difference between a race with a brief and one with a jammer- much less, between 2 different jammers. Get a durable pair that fits. Snugly. I use a Tyr Tracer LT and have used it for 2 seasons so far- $100.
I think you're right about that, and I agree. I probably should have been more clear in my thoughts. I do think I was more interested in people's opinions and preferences regarding which fit or stayed together best! To that end, your experience with the Tracer LT is really good. The consumer reviews at Swim Outlet have a random sprinkling of seam & QC issues, but do seem to be rather equally spread around.
All that aside, I get the judge the Yingfa for durability and quality of seams. The suit arrived yesterday. It does appear different in that the seams are sewn with a wide serger stitch and bright white thread against the black fabric, rather than black thread to hide. I haven't swum with it yet, but did put it on and it fits nicely, a tiny bit lower on the hip than I'm used to, but I don't think that's the cut but the size. I wear a 30 in poly training suits and I ordered these at L (28-30) for the extra snugness.
I hope it holds up well. I know some of the suits the kids on my daughter's team have tried have only lasted a two day meet before threads in the fabric let loose and the suit was blown. :eeew:
If it helps my head at all, great, I'll take my positive psych wherever I can get it! But, it does fit nicer than both my The Finals jammers that are pretty shot now. Time for new training suits. I do have my doubts that the suit, especially on guys with the latest FINA hip to knee restrictions can make much difference.
What would be interesting would be a scientific study on the relative gain from the different suits. I don't think that given the turbulent flow field (I have a degree in aerodynamics - I can't help but talk that way sometimes) around a human body, at the surface, rotating, stroking and breathing there could be really much benefit from the area of material we're talking about. The potential for gain is certainly larger for a woman, simply due to the larger surface area covered.
>>Warning: I'm going off on a tangent! :D <'s too much variation from swim to swim with a person, so the number of data points for each suit would be really high to average out to something meaningful. Even some type of double blind wouldn't help the variation in performance that we all have.
Set up a towing system, draw the manikin under water (1 to 1-1/2m ) in a streamlined position. Removes surface effects and I would assume maximizes the benefit from the "engineered" suit. Tow at a few different speeds (speed/length > Reynolds number & all that) and measure the tension in the tow. Lower tension = reduced drag. Reduce this to a dimensionless coefficient > co-relate back to suit size and bang, a perfect formula for calculating time gain for an event wearing suit X! NOT! (But it would still be interesting and fun to do - Yeah, I'm a geek!)
OK, who wants to pay for a bunch of suits and help me build a neutrally buoyant manikin? :bolt:
OK, enough of that.
Have a great week, one and all!
Popeye
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~You'd be hard pressed to quantify the time difference between a race with a brief and one with a jammer- much less, between 2 different jammers. Get a durable pair that fits. Snugly. I use a Tyr Tracer LT and have used it for 2 seasons so far- $100.
I think you're right about that, and I agree. I probably should have been more clear in my thoughts. I do think I was more interested in people's opinions and preferences regarding which fit or stayed together best! To that end, your experience with the Tracer LT is really good. The consumer reviews at Swim Outlet have a random sprinkling of seam & QC issues, but do seem to be rather equally spread around.
All that aside, I get the judge the Yingfa for durability and quality of seams. The suit arrived yesterday. It does appear different in that the seams are sewn with a wide serger stitch and bright white thread against the black fabric, rather than black thread to hide. I haven't swum with it yet, but did put it on and it fits nicely, a tiny bit lower on the hip than I'm used to, but I don't think that's the cut but the size. I wear a 30 in poly training suits and I ordered these at L (28-30) for the extra snugness.
I hope it holds up well. I know some of the suits the kids on my daughter's team have tried have only lasted a two day meet before threads in the fabric let loose and the suit was blown. :eeew:
If it helps my head at all, great, I'll take my positive psych wherever I can get it! But, it does fit nicer than both my The Finals jammers that are pretty shot now. Time for new training suits. I do have my doubts that the suit, especially on guys with the latest FINA hip to knee restrictions can make much difference.
What would be interesting would be a scientific study on the relative gain from the different suits. I don't think that given the turbulent flow field (I have a degree in aerodynamics - I can't help but talk that way sometimes) around a human body, at the surface, rotating, stroking and breathing there could be really much benefit from the area of material we're talking about. The potential for gain is certainly larger for a woman, simply due to the larger surface area covered.
>>Warning: I'm going off on a tangent! :D <'s too much variation from swim to swim with a person, so the number of data points for each suit would be really high to average out to something meaningful. Even some type of double blind wouldn't help the variation in performance that we all have.
Set up a towing system, draw the manikin under water (1 to 1-1/2m ) in a streamlined position. Removes surface effects and I would assume maximizes the benefit from the "engineered" suit. Tow at a few different speeds (speed/length > Reynolds number & all that) and measure the tension in the tow. Lower tension = reduced drag. Reduce this to a dimensionless coefficient > co-relate back to suit size and bang, a perfect formula for calculating time gain for an event wearing suit X! NOT! (But it would still be interesting and fun to do - Yeah, I'm a geek!)
OK, who wants to pay for a bunch of suits and help me build a neutrally buoyant manikin? :bolt:
OK, enough of that.
Have a great week, one and all!
Popeye
