Leslie,
Im really sorry to hear about the error that left you off the top of the list. How frustrating. Just one thought. Were your swims done in a masters meet? I know FINA doesn't count swims from USA meets but USMS does.
Over the years I've lost more than several world records due to mismanagement by meet directors. I know enough now to take on the reponsibility personally to ensure credit is given.
I hope you can straighten things out.
Rich
Thanks Rich.
No, I'm aware of that rule. I swam the times at a USMS meet, NE Champs, last December and my times are in the USMS database and on the USMS TT Listing. So it's not a meet director error, though I have had issues in the past with meet directors as well. It has to be a USMS or FINA error. Oddly, all the errors I've detected so far are in the 50s; I haven't found any errors in the 100s at least.
Doug, I did send an email to Walt Reid, so hopefully he'll get back to me.
These are the other omissions I've found to date:
Valerie Jenkins (45-49 50 back)
Susan Williams (40-44 50 back, 50 fly)
Fall W. (40-44 50 back, 50 free, 50 fly, 50 ***)
Lisa Dahl (45-49 50 free & 50 fly)
Karen Andrus-Hughes (50-54 50 back)
Traci Granger (50-54 50 fly)
Lisa Bennett (50-54 50 ***)
Laura Val (55-59 50 free, 50 back, 50 fly)
There are others as well ... though I don't see 50 errors at a quick glance in the younger age groups.
Some of these times are from the Pacific Champs, not just NE Champs. Pacific Champs was a week earlier.
I am sending these omissions to Walt as well. No idea how a list can be published with this many errors ...
Thanks Rich.
No, I'm aware of that rule. I swam the times at a USMS meet, NE Champs, last December and my times are in the USMS database and on the USMS TT Listing. So it's not a meet director error, though I have had issues in the past with meet directors as well. It has to be a USMS or FINA error. Oddly, all the errors I've detected so far are in the 50s.
Doug, I did send an email to Walt Reid, so hopefully he'll get back to me.
These are the other omissions I've found to date:
Valerie Jenkins (45-49 50 back)
Susan Williams (40-44 50 back, 50 fly)
Fall W. (40-44 50 back, 50 free, 50 fly, 50 ***)
Lisa Dahl (45-49 50 free & 50 fly)
Karen Andrus-Hughes (50-54 50 back)
Traci Granger (50-54 50 fly)
Lisa Bennett (50-54 50 ***)
Laura Val (55-59 50 free, 50 back, 50 fly)
There are others as well ... though I don't see 50 errors at a quick glance in the younger age groups.
I am sending these omissions to Walt as well. No idea how a list can be published with this many errors ...
FINA is Nov to Nov(ish some Dec swims get in and others don't) so your swims may count for next year.One question I have is,since it is Nov to Nov,were some swims done in tech suits.Also,since as I understand it ,some countries are not as strict about that for their local meets are some of the times done in 2010 swum in tech suits?
FINA is Nov to Nov(ish some Dec swims get in and others don't) so your swims may count for next year.One question I have is,since it is Nov to Nov,were some swims done in tech suits.Also,since as I understand it ,some countries are not as strict about that for their local meets are some of the times done in 2010 swum in tech suits?
No, can't be right. My 100 fly and 100 back times from Dec. 10-12, 2010 NE Champs are on the 2010 FINA list. Other swimmers' times from NE Champs are likewise on the FINA list. For example, all of Chris Stevenson's times from 2010 NE Champs are on the 2010 FINA list (even his 50s). Some times have just inexplicably been omitted. Moreover, NE Champs times have always been on the FINA list in prior years.
Sometimes I feel like a sport that can't keep an accurate record of its times just isn't that serious ...
Yes, some times are in tech suits. I know at least the World Games in LCM was before the tech suit ban and the times seem relatively faster than those in SCM.
FINA is Nov to Nov(ish some Dec swims get in and others don't) so your swims may count for next year.One question I have is,since it is Nov to Nov,were some swims done in tech suits.Also,since as I understand it ,some countries are not as strict about that for their local meets are some of the times done in 2010 swum in tech suits?
I see an error in my age group as well. From the same meet in early December 2010 that my times are from (all of them that should be are there on the list), the winning 50 free time isn't on the list but the same swimmer's 100 & 200 free times are listed...???
FINA is Nov to Nov(ish some Dec swims get in and others don't) so your swims may count for next year.One question I have is,since it is Nov to Nov,were some swims done in tech suits.Also,since as I understand it ,some countries are not as strict about that for their local meets are some of the times done in 2010 swum in tech suits?
You might be thinking of FINA records, which are published in May and Nov of each year. Also the criteria for swimmer of the year, based largely on WRs (I think), are Nov to Nov. But the TT lists follow the same seasons as USMS.
The final USMS list isn't out yet. I am not at all sure if this is the official list from FINA.
Have been a regular “name” at this TOP10 FINA ranking so can say errors are common (as there is not a single world database-Master program- some federations do not send the swimmers times ….) but from my personal experience correction are possible….:applaud:
Well… until the end of the month the lists will be reasonably “accurate”:)
40-44]400m Individual Medley Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
05:17.91
2
DAY Nadine
USA
05:18.65
200m Butterfly Women Long Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
PAULA GRILO Ana
POR
02:35.42
2
GWERDER Sonja
SUI
02:36.18
200m Butterfly Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
YAMAGUCHI Yoko
JPN
02:26.31
2
EDARD Irene
FRA
02:31.83
3
DAY Nadine
USA
02:32.46
4
PAULA GRILO Ana
POR
02:32.52
200m Freestyle Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
VOLK Katlin
GER
02:10.70
2
SMITH Jody
USA
02:11.40
3
RIDGE Jennifer
USA
02:12.00
4
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
02:12.35
5
BUCKNELL Jennie
AUS
02:13.31
6
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
02:14.91
400m Freestyle Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
VOLK Katlin
GER
04:36.94
2
RIDGE Jennifer
USA
04:41.22
3
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
04:44.26
4
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
04:44.78
800m Freestyle Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
09:41.15
2
DAY Nadine
USA
09:59.23
3
RIAN Victoria
USA
10:00.78
4
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
10:03.99
1500m Freestyle Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
ZAMANIAN Alison
USA
17:35.49
2
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
18:32.20
3
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
18:51.69
200m Individual Medley Women Short Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
DAY Nadine
USA
02:28.77
2
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
02:29.75
3
PAROCCHI Silvia
ITA
02:30.20
4
RIDGE Jennifer
USA
02:30.91
5
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
02:33.71
400m Individual Medley Women Long Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
DAY Nadine
USA
05:24.89
2
CORBEN Joanna
GBR
05:36.87
3
VISSER Linda
USA
05:37.10
4
PAULA GRILO Ana
POR
05:37.52
200m Individual Medley Women Long Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
WILLEBOORDSE Fall
USA
02:31.91
2
DAY Nadine
USA
02:32.32
3
PAROCCHI Silvia
ITA
02:33.92
4
LOVBERG Merete
NOR
02:36.20
5
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
02:36.31
6
GELLATLY Jill
USA
02:36.42
7
VISSER Linda
USA
02:36.63
8
ISAKOV Rachelle
RSA
02:37.26
9
PAULA GRILO Ana
POR
02:37.75
200m Freestyle Women Long Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
LOVBERG Merete
NOR
02:14.43
2
DAY Nadine
USA
02:14.58
3
VOLK Katlin
GER
02:15.36
4
SMITH Jody
USA
02:16.37
5
SORO Monica
ITA
02:17.86
6
GELLATLY Jill
USA
02:18.05
7
PICARD Amanda
RSA
02:18.16
8
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
02:18.18
400m Freestyle Women Long Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
PICARD Amanda
RSA
04:47.44
2
GELLATLY Jill
USA
04:51.54
3
LOVBERG Merete
NOR
04:52.15
4
RINALDI Galen
USA
04:52.55
5
DAY Nadine
USA
04:53.50
6
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
04:55.15
1500m Freestyle Women Long Course
Rank
Full Name
Country
Time
1
GELLATLY Jill
USA
18:46.06
2
FUJIOKA Kyoko
JPN
19:12.67
3
HARMER Annelle
CAN
19:51.68
4
PAULA GRILO Ana
ESP
19:54.49
Agreed Orca, although I am never going to be that good, I would hit the roof if I had worked for a time like this and it was LOST??? Are you kidding me? Makes me wonder.
Thank you, WL. It is somewhat unsettling to open a list like that and see one's name left off entirely.
Walt Reid very promptly fixed the problem both for me and the list of other women I sent him (I checked those names, he may have fixed other 50s omissions as well). :applaud:
Agreed Orca, although I am never going to be that good, I would hit the roof if I had worked for a time like this and it was LOST??? Are you kidding me? Makes me wonder.
