In the Olympics everyone does flip turns in the 1500m but I was wondering whether many ordinary mortals resort to open turn for longer distances in the pool? I think I am quicker flipping in a short distance race
but it feels as though as I am going slightly into oxygen debt, so I'm not sure they're beneficial over long distances. (I am experimenting but I don't do enough long distance races to have much data.)
Congrats on the swim!! That is an impressive time. I am going to experiment with that for a bit in my 200 back. The last 3 turns are always my worst.
I have worked very hard on improving my underwater dolphin kick but it still falls apart in the 200.
Do you feel that you were able to push off the all with more "umph" on each turn since you weren't staying underwater to kick? How were your splits in this previous race compared to the one before? I would guess they were close together on each 50.
I will keep on improving the underwater kick for the 50 and 100 but may start learning toward this for the 200.Thanks wookie. Yeah, my dolphin kicks are lame so it was easy to chuck them, and I'm not sure why I didn't think of it sooner for the 200. Yes, since I didn't have to worry about when to start dolphin kicking it allowed me to concentrate on the pushoff a bit more I think.
Comparing the two races, it's tough to glean any info because I paced them very differently. Last year I took it out too slow and had a bunch of energy at the end, while this year I went out fast and tried to survive:
2009 (w/2 poor dolphin kicks off of walls):
34.40; 36.82 (1:11.22); 37.11 (1:48.33); 34.29 (2:22.62)
2010 (w/no dolphin kicks, streamline):
32.27; 34.27 (1:06.54); 35.44 (1:41.98); 35.69 (2:17.67)
Had I tried to stay under and kick the same way this year, I wouldn't have been able to hold the pace on the last 50- I was dying something fierce.
jaadams brings up a good point and made me think about something. If I were doing a 500 fly, I would HATE to have to do flip turns- I think this would make it infinitely harder than doing open turns. So referring back to the OP, I still think open turns are the way to go at this point.
Congrats on the swim!! That is an impressive time. I am going to experiment with that for a bit in my 200 back. The last 3 turns are always my worst.
I have worked very hard on improving my underwater dolphin kick but it still falls apart in the 200.
Do you feel that you were able to push off the all with more "umph" on each turn since you weren't staying underwater to kick? How were your splits in this previous race compared to the one before? I would guess they were close together on each 50.
I will keep on improving the underwater kick for the 50 and 100 but may start learning toward this for the 200.Thanks wookie. Yeah, my dolphin kicks are lame so it was easy to chuck them, and I'm not sure why I didn't think of it sooner for the 200. Yes, since I didn't have to worry about when to start dolphin kicking it allowed me to concentrate on the pushoff a bit more I think.
Comparing the two races, it's tough to glean any info because I paced them very differently. Last year I took it out too slow and had a bunch of energy at the end, while this year I went out fast and tried to survive:
2009 (w/2 poor dolphin kicks off of walls):
34.40; 36.82 (1:11.22); 37.11 (1:48.33); 34.29 (2:22.62)
2010 (w/no dolphin kicks, streamline):
32.27; 34.27 (1:06.54); 35.44 (1:41.98); 35.69 (2:17.67)
Had I tried to stay under and kick the same way this year, I wouldn't have been able to hold the pace on the last 50- I was dying something fierce.
jaadams brings up a good point and made me think about something. If I were doing a 500 fly, I would HATE to have to do flip turns- I think this would make it infinitely harder than doing open turns. So referring back to the OP, I still think open turns are the way to go at this point.
