Touchpads with manual watches as backups. These are the instructions on the record form:
"Attach the printout showing event number, heat number, splits, backup from the electronic timing system and/or time card with the signatures of all three timers."
I interpreted the "and" as saying that I needed to submit both the backup from the electronic timing system, AND the time card with the signatures of all three timers.
Perhaps Chris can clarify. I recall frantically running around at the end of one meet, trying to find the timers for a certain lane after we realized that a record had been set.
I had interpreted it that way too, but I have heard from very many experienced hands who always do as Rick does (without the signatures) so clearly Walt accepts them that way. I believe the signatures are only required if buttons/watches are the primary system or if the touchpad completely fails (eg the person misses the pad) and the watches must be used.
Given the fact that automatic timing from splits can be used for records -- there ARE no timers in that case, since until this past Convention manual timing for splits was not allowed -- I don't see how timer signatures can be a requirement if the touchpad time is deemed valiid.
I'll ask Walt to be sure; we need to make another change in the record application form anyway for the Rule Book. (The form does not make it clear that *copies* of the birth certificate or passport are sufficient for proof of age.) Maybe we can re-word this part.
On a related manner, I'm not looking forward to trying to re-word the split request form in light of the passage of R48. Now we have the following:
1. Split requests must be submitted ahead of time for backstroke and relay leadoffs.
2. Split requests must be submitted by the end of the meet in other cases when automatic timing is the primary system.
3. When timers/buttons are used as the primary system, all split requests must be submitted before the swim. (This should be obvious, but...!)
4. The same primary timing system shall be used for splits as is used for the completed swims. (In other words, if touchpads are available and functioning, a swimmer cannot request a hand-timed split.)
Touchpads with manual watches as backups. These are the instructions on the record form:
"Attach the printout showing event number, heat number, splits, backup from the electronic timing system and/or time card with the signatures of all three timers."
I interpreted the "and" as saying that I needed to submit both the backup from the electronic timing system, AND the time card with the signatures of all three timers.
Perhaps Chris can clarify. I recall frantically running around at the end of one meet, trying to find the timers for a certain lane after we realized that a record had been set.
I had interpreted it that way too, but I have heard from very many experienced hands who always do as Rick does (without the signatures) so clearly Walt accepts them that way. I believe the signatures are only required if buttons/watches are the primary system or if the touchpad completely fails (eg the person misses the pad) and the watches must be used.
Given the fact that automatic timing from splits can be used for records -- there ARE no timers in that case, since until this past Convention manual timing for splits was not allowed -- I don't see how timer signatures can be a requirement if the touchpad time is deemed valiid.
I'll ask Walt to be sure; we need to make another change in the record application form anyway for the Rule Book. (The form does not make it clear that *copies* of the birth certificate or passport are sufficient for proof of age.) Maybe we can re-word this part.
On a related manner, I'm not looking forward to trying to re-word the split request form in light of the passage of R48. Now we have the following:
1. Split requests must be submitted ahead of time for backstroke and relay leadoffs.
2. Split requests must be submitted by the end of the meet in other cases when automatic timing is the primary system.
3. When timers/buttons are used as the primary system, all split requests must be submitted before the swim. (This should be obvious, but...!)
4. The same primary timing system shall be used for splits as is used for the completed swims. (In other words, if touchpads are available and functioning, a swimmer cannot request a hand-timed split.)
