freestyle vs kick-only times

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In my quest to figure out how to improve my freestyle speed away from embarrassingly slow times, I am working on the following three categories: 1) General form (especially arms) - I made a post about this awhile back with video and have improved a good deal since then, shaved a few seconds off my 50. 2) Stroke frequency - eventually going to one of those pace beepers and experiment with different frequencies. 3) Kick - kick frequency, kick width, and foot flexibility This post is concerned with the last of these - the kick. I recently compared my fastest kick-only time (no snorkel or flippers) with my fastest freestyle time and it is almost exactly 2x slower. I read various places that the kick provides a much smaller portion of the total propulsion in freestyle, so this gap seems smaller than I would expect. One explanation is that I am probably not giving the same attention/efffort to my kick during freestyle, which makes sense. Nevertheless, I still think I have much more work to do on my kick - its about ~86 seconds for 50m. Please let me know your kick times and ratio to equivalent free style times so I can set some reasonable goals and figure out how much my kick is holding me back. Thanks!
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    I am curious if there are many like me who have: A) a relatively slow kicking speed B) a relatively slow pulling speed (i.e., with pull buoy) C) despite the above two shortcomings, a relatively decent swimming speed It makes me think that it's not just adding the pull and the kick together to get swimming speed, but some weird synergy where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Put me down as a weak kicker, strong puller. For a 100 SCY, from a push I'd be around 1:04 swim and 1:40 kick with a board for a 0.64 ratio. I've worked on my kick a fair amount and I'm trying to better integrate my kick into my stroke. What works best for me is doing a set of broken 200s as 100 kick followed immediately by 100 swim. I get a good sense of continuing my kick during the swim portion.
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  • Former Member
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    I am curious if there are many like me who have: A) a relatively slow kicking speed B) a relatively slow pulling speed (i.e., with pull buoy) C) despite the above two shortcomings, a relatively decent swimming speed It makes me think that it's not just adding the pull and the kick together to get swimming speed, but some weird synergy where the whole is greater than the sum of the parts. Put me down as a weak kicker, strong puller. For a 100 SCY, from a push I'd be around 1:04 swim and 1:40 kick with a board for a 0.64 ratio. I've worked on my kick a fair amount and I'm trying to better integrate my kick into my stroke. What works best for me is doing a set of broken 200s as 100 kick followed immediately by 100 swim. I get a good sense of continuing my kick during the swim portion.
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