I am posting this as an informational item only. If you guys want to start another tech suit flame war over this, have at it, but I won't be participating.
Yesterday, I received an email which stated:
United States Masters Swimming is considering whether to allow Tech Suits (ie Blue 70, Speedo Fastskins, etc ) at short course yards meets.
Pacific Masters is polling swimmers who registered for the 2010 Pacific Masters Short Course Championships to find out what our swimmer's opinion is of this proposed rule change. The polling will close at noon, Tuesday September 7th.
This poll should take less than five minutes to complete. We do value your opinion, we hope to find out more about what our members think.
Unfortunately, having responded to the poll questions I can no longer access the poll, or I would post the questions too.
Paul - you either missed the point Geochuck was trying to make or have chosen to ignore it with a tired old argument. And I know you're too smart to have missed the point.
Let's use a different analogy. It's like having a poll of only backstrokers being allowed to voice their opinion: shall we remove the 15m restriction on underwater SDKs off the start?
Or better yet, let's ask all non-breastrokers how they feel about eliminating the breastroke leg of the IM! :bump:
(I'm just having a little fun with you Paul :bighug:)
Good point, it's why I deleted my OP.
It seems to be all for one and one for all within USMS, so I had originally decided to not go there but.... Any poll sent to a group on a matter that directly affects a small sub-set of that group is inherently flawed from the start.
Not to :dedhorse: but the 'techsuit issue' is actually a three-sided argument.
1 - No tech
2 - Textile only tech
3 - Non-textile tech
But a more than significant percentage of non-tech folks like to lump 2 and 3 together, while some pro-tech folks such as myself are dead-set against #3.
Because I have not competed since 1998 and that was one time after a 25 year layoff I probably do not deserve to have an opinion.
Anyone deserves to have an opinion but my concern is opinions from folks who do not participate in meets, have no plans to participate in meets and will never participate in meets are being used be used as part of decision making process that affects those who do compete.
FINA makes decisions for everyone. The decision makers certainly do not Participate (compete). The CASA makes decisions and do not participate. Most organizations are run by people who do not compete.
Apples and Tire Irons. Those folks are in positions (elected, appointed, whatever) where they are responsible for making decisions in the best interest of the group or organization they represent. Doesn't always happen that way.
It will be interesting to see what the results of this survey--and any other survey--are considering the respondents in Virginia voted to continue the ban on tech suits for SCY by a margin of five to one. It's hard to imagine that this is really a regional issue, but I guess until we see the results of other surveys, who knows? Maybe there was a strong anti-suit cabal voting in Virginia.
It will be interesting to see what the results of this survey--and any other survey--are considering the respondents in Virginia voted to continue the ban on tech suits for SCY by a margin of five to one. It's hard to imagine that this is really a regional issue, but I guess until we see the results of other surveys, who knows? Maybe there was a strong anti-suit cabal voting in Virginia.
1312 respondents is quite impressive but I wonder what is the % of those who have actually competed in a pool meet in the last 2 years?
It will be interesting to see what the results of this survey--and any other survey--are considering the respondents in Virginia voted to continue the ban on tech suits for SCY by a margin of five to one. It's hard to imagine that this is really a regional issue, but I guess until we see the results of other surveys, who knows? Maybe there was a strong anti-suit cabal voting in Virginia.
It's not "Virginia." It's southern Virginia. If you live here, northern and southern Virginia are two different worlds. :bolt:
We here in the north are part of Potomac Valley.
Fort where do you stand??? Do you want to use your banned Tech suit or are you against their use? By your Avatar It looks like your could care less.
I've always been pro suit, and would vote accordingly.
But I've over it and have competed without them without whining. I will say not having a tech suit has and will effect my choice of events in meets.
1312 respondents is quite impressive but I wonder what is the % of those who have actually competed in a pool meet in the last 2 years?
I think you read that wrong. The poll was sent to 1312 LMSC members. 184 responded.
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Doggunnit, is anyone ever going to figure out a way to put a lid on this can of worms??? :worms:
By keeping the tech suit issue around, the forums get to keep you around. With the tech suit debate, you would be left with very little to add to the forums.
Especially if the mag isn't on everyone's doorstep first thing in the morning on Sept 1. Whoops...:worms::waiting:
(How did I ever miss the "waiting" smiley before now? It MUST have been invented for the "Where's my SWIMMER?" threads that start every 2 months.)
Well, if Timmy would be nicer to his mailman, he might get his copy of Swimmer when everyone else in his zip code does. :D
I think you read that wrong. The poll was sent to 1312 LMSC members. 184 responded.
Whoops. Then I suspect that represents a fairly significant % of folk that compete.
But to return to an earlier post. My biggest issue with this whole debate/polling thing is that it's doing this:
1 - No Tech suits
2 - Tech suits
The rediculous suit wars of 2008/2009 left a bad taste im my mouth and I _like_ the idea of full body suits. So I can only imagine how folks would react to that choice.
Instead of:
1- No tech suits
2- Textile only tech suits (ala 2007 and earlier)
3 - Modern tech suits
But that's just me.
