How many o you know what is paid to your coach/coaches for the season ?
Do you pay into a required fund for the team or a monthly pay or how does the team do it?
how much do you think the coach should make for the time & effort of practices -meets - meetings required to run the team?
I coach a Masters Swimming team in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I mainly do it for the fun of coaching and seeing people improve. We are part of a kids team and most of our dues goes to supporting them. That is how we actually get pool time. I get about $350 a month after taxes (of course I have a full-time job doing something else.) I guess what keeps me from doing a better job is lack of time and energy. I have for several years been filming our swimmers, creating a DVD of their strokes (front view and side view) and turns, with comments during the slow motion video on what to improve. I created a rig so that I can film above and below the water simultaneously. I purchased an underwater bullet or helmet cam on eBay and feed into a camcorder for the underwater video. An other camcorder is used to record the above water video. I use a video editing program to show the two views at the same time on the DVD. I always try to work on their strokes during workout. I have a library of about 20 DVD videos I purchased to loan out to our swimmers. I have been doing this for about 25 years. The first few years I did it for free. I also enjoy writing workouts that challenge a swimmer to work harder than they expect. In many towns a full-time Masters Swimming Coach is unrealistic given the number of swimmers available in the town. We have about 45 swimmers on our team. Hopefully my team is happy with what they are getting.
Based on this comment, your team should be more than happy, ten fold. If not, then they need professional help.
A full time masters swimming coach is pretty much non-existent in the Philly. I think that there is one and he is the only Philly coach you will see at meets. The other Masters programs are just an extension of a Y or age group program or where I usually swim, an extension of a college swimming program. so, the coaches run Masters practices an a extension of their current positions. Let me tell you though.
The profession is in a serious transition, a serious turn. I myself now sometimes think about getting back to sports full time, in fact, it's more a matter of when now.
I may risk being judged by Paul Smith, but there's no way I'll get back to this profession is my salary isn't at least the same as what I earn now. New thing though now is that you can add more services, more sources of revenue. Web coaching, product sales, private coaching, all that can easily add up to something interesting, especially for a triathlon coach that's a swim coach too.
But I shall never ever trust a parents' committee to vote on my salary. I hate parents' committee like you wouldn't believe. There's not enough professionals in the profession. Not enough business men, people that can think revenue more than expense. Too often too much like last year, which was like last year, which was like last year.
I coach a Masters Swimming team in Colorado Springs, Colorado. I mainly do it for the fun of coaching and seeing people improve. We are part of a kids team and most of our dues goes to supporting them. That is how we actually get pool time. I get about $350 a month after taxes (of course I have a full-time job doing something else.) I guess what keeps me from doing a better job is lack of time and energy. I have for several years been filming our swimmers, creating a DVD of their strokes (front view and side view) and turns, with comments during the slow motion video on what to improve. I created a rig so that I can film above and below the water simultaneously. I purchased an underwater bullet or helmet cam on eBay and feed into a camcorder for the underwater video. An other camcorder is used to record the above water video. I use a video editing program to show the two views at the same time on the DVD. I always try to work on their strokes during workout. I have a library of about 20 DVD videos I purchased to loan out to our swimmers. I have been doing this for about 25 years. The first few years I did it for free. I also enjoy writing workouts that challenge a swimmer to work harder than they expect. In many towns a full-time Masters Swimming Coach is unrealistic given the number of swimmers available in the town. We have about 45 swimmers on our team. Hopefully my team is happy with what they are getting.
So you're in a good position to know how important video is. Even if you didn't show your swimmers the clips, the mere fact that you take the time slow mo underwater, overwater analyzing their stroke makes you a good coach.
It makes you someone that can identify strange things, find the cause, and design a strategy to address the issue. This is the only darn way that I know one can make a decent job on the deck.
I know I may sound arch. Back in my days, I could understand but nowadays? Frankly I don't. Cams are the size of a credit card, you probably got one on your phone, and it can probably transmits wire less to some cheap monitor or something.
I never really like screaming at a swimmers technical stuff anyway. Taking them out of the water for a casual talk around a tv set creates an atmosphere that's perfect for catching swimmer's attention. Sometimes interesting details pop up that would otherwise be left untold in the cold context of deck to pool interaction.
And the others? Since they know exactly on which mission to work, I leave them alone. I coach spending a lot of my time sitting on a chair chatting with swimmers, manipulating bodies in front of the mirror dry land etc. The session gets explained in details at the beginning. So they know what direction to give to the session. Swimmers swim smartly when they know in advance what's the main set and how it should be swam. If the intervals are well designed, the sets don't become messy. And if you set carefully picked challenges, team spirit kicks in within the lanes, swimmers have fun, no need to be on their tales screaming or something.
One last thing that's cool with video, especially the way you archive it over time, is that masters can often get bored after so many years always hearing the same cr.p feed back about their strokes. Coaches often complaint about this fact. They say well why bother giving feedback to masters, they don't want to ear 'bout their flaws?
True that. They don't want to ear. But they might wanna see!
Nowadays with youtube you could create team channel, archive the material there and at Christmas it's real fun cause every one gets to laugh at Oncle Solar's strange non athletic belly. My nieces recently saw me performing the fly, they immediately asked their father to resume swim lessons. It's all good!!!
our masters group is only 10-15 swimmers with 5-7 participating in meets. as well as 2-3 being 15-16 yr olds with injuries and can't swim with the other groups
I coach the group, and do it because otherwise we wouldn't have a coach. instead of being on an hourly pay, I do it for the cost of swimming. so instead of paying $200/half a year I coach 5.5hrs a week för nearly 22 weeks. so in a sense I work for less than 50 cents an hr.
don't get me wrong I would love to pay for swimming and have someone else coaching the group, but we don't all live in a swimmers town.
Our coach runs 3 practices a week. She is the only coach, although 2-3 others help when she is gone.
all swimmers must pay for the rec centre membership on their own Her pay is what I can collect from the team on a what do you think coaching is worth to you basis. Some give $ 10 - -others give $300 for 7 months of coaching. I guess it depends on how you put worth to what she does for each of us. I have gotten much faster in the 9 years I have been with this team !
well obviously such a small squad won't generate a full time job.
Therefore it's better to evaluate if the coach is well reward for his efforts by bringing the salary on an hourly basis. A coach (a pro, meaning one that wants to make a living out of it) that is good at managing his time can find ways to set a full coaching schedule out of a few squads, web coaching, private coaching etc....
That I've never seen. There are usually expenses related to AG development (training camps, long distance traveling costs etc...) that need to be subsidize by the master program, rarely the other way around.
On top of that, very often, they take young swimmers with little or no coaching experience to coach masters. Or so is the case here up North in our province.
I come from a pretty small town, and have lived in small towns all my life. My general experience has been that if there is a "master's" group, it is make up of a couple "swim parents" who want something to do because they are already at the pool so much for their kid(s). If they get a few more outside people to join up they count themselves lucky.
By age group "subsidizing" a masters team, I almost more mean that without the age group team there is almost no chance that a masters team would ever be formed in this particular area.
I have never really come across too many masters groups that could pay for themselves. I see plenty of groups that have about 20 regular swimmers, each paying $50-$60/month - so, you are looking at a group bringing in $1000-$1200/month total from memberships. Take away pool and other costs, I don't see much left for coach pay. If a master's coach makes over $500/month I would consider them lucky.
Occasionally, a age group swim program can subsidize a master's program...generally if that age group club is pretty large.
I have never really come across too many masters groups that could pay for themselves. I see plenty of groups that have about 20 regular swimmers, each paying $50-$60/month - so, you are looking at a group bringing in $1000-$1200/month total from memberships. Take away pool and other costs, I don't see much left for coach pay. If a master's coach makes over $500/month I would consider them lucky. well obviously such a small squad won't generate a full time job.
Therefore it's better to evaluate if the coach is well reward for his efforts by bringing the salary on an hourly basis. A coach (a pro, meaning one that wants to make a living out of it) that is good at managing his time can find ways to set a full coaching schedule out of a few squads, web coaching, private coaching etc....
Occasionally, a age group swim program can subsidize a master's program...generally if that age group club is pretty large. That I've never seen. There are usually expenses related to AG development (training camps, long distance traveling costs etc...) that need to be subsidize by the master program, rarely the other way around.
On top of that, very often, they take young swimmers with little or no coaching experience to coach masters. Or so is the case here up North in our province.