Do you want the tech suit back for SCY?

On a serious note, a bit of background information (alos more backgtound is here: Bringing Back Tech Suits for SCY - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums) Noone is preventing people from putting together a poll, wherever they want, and however they want to run it. Where it falls into having to follow the rules, is when an LMSC is asked to pay for it financially, and by use of it's volunteering resources. Typically, LMSC's don't have the kinds of resources it takes to run informal polls, just for the sake of statistics. They are constantly battling shorthandedness in just getting much more pressing business at hand. Historically, there's about 10-20 volunteers that represent the core group that services, in our LMSC over 4000 swimmers, and around 70 clubs (I'd have to look up the statistics to be more exact). Right now, people pushing for this appear to think that we actually have the poser to push the USMS into making the change to this rule. We don't. However, when we express that, as the relaity of the situation, we, the volunteeres get clobered and judged about how we're being communicative, and trying to squash people interests and on and on and on... (let's not get into that, before I start ranting again) As I mentioned before, there was a set of emails circulating trying to get techsuit proponents rounded up to make the SPMA mkake USMS change the rule. The emails got nasty, SPMA got in trouble, even though we didn't start the emails, nor was it out mailing list that was used. The thread I linked to has been started so people who really want this can speak up, without jamming everyone else's inbox, and people getting angry asking SPMA to take them off their mailing list. Email announced the new thread. Out of all these supposed tech-suit proponents that are being ignored - go see the thread about how many showed up. I thought, perhaps people don't want to discuss it, and want to take a preliminary interest vote, to get a starter feel for where things stand. So, I started this thread, to start polling people. I was sincerely hoping that if there's a mass of tech suit proponents out there dying to cast an informal vote, it's easy enough to stop by here, and click yes or no, to convince us more actin should be taken, and that we should look into spending USMS mambership money in organizing an emergency poll. There's nothing preventing tose people from rounding up their friends and 'killing' this poll by a landslide pro tech suit vote... to prove a point. They can do it here just as anonymously. Like I said, SPMA has well over 4000 members, even if just 10% shows up, that's 400 new votes - that would have left a 'business beyond usual' mark on the poll. It did not happen. How can wse serously justify spending your guys membership fees on more polls, when people won't even come forward and use what's already there and free??? I'm open to being convinced one way or another. Wherever I look, I see more people agaist them, then for them. People for the suits keep telling us we're not asking the right group, their friends and people they know aren't being asked... well, bring them here! I can see both sides of the argument here, and my own personal opinion on the tech suit is really not that important. I'm more interested in doing whatever I can to look at things objectivelly. Same thing is happening on the local level, there's a very small group trying to make a lot of noise, and a few people doing a lot of trashing of the SPMA volunteers. (which is being dealt with with in appropriate places) Also, there's a lot more people who also expressed their desire to leave the rules be the way they are. The small cross section of opinions in the forum here actually matches pretty darn closely what is happening on a local level. While what's happening here is very informal, it's really not that out of whack with the rest.

On a serious note, a bit of background information (alos more backgtound is here: Bringing Back Tech Suits for SCY - U.S. Masters Swimming Discussion Forums) Noone is preventing people from putting together a poll, wherever they want, and however they want to run it. Where it falls into having to follow the rules, is when an LMSC is asked to pay for it financially, and by use of it's volunteering resources. Typically, LMSC's don't have the kinds of resources it takes to run informal polls, just for the sake of statistics. They are constantly battling shorthandedness in just getting much more pressing business at hand. Historically, there's about 10-20 volunteers that represent the core group that services, in our LMSC over 4000 swimmers, and around 70 clubs (I'd have to look up the statistics to be more exact). Right now, people pushing for this appear to think that we actually have the poser to push the USMS into making the change to this rule. We don't. However, when we express that, as the relaity of the situation, we, the volunteeres get clobered and judged about how we're being communicative, and trying to squash people interests and on and on and on... (let's not get into that, before I start ranting again) As I mentioned before, there was a set of emails circulating trying to get techsuit proponents rounded up to make the SPMA mkake USMS change the rule. The emails got nasty, SPMA got in trouble, even though we didn't start the emails, nor was it out mailing list that was used. The thread I linked to has been started so people who really want this can speak up, without jamming everyone else's inbox, and people getting angry asking SPMA to take them off their mailing list. Email announced the new thread. Out of all these supposed tech-suit proponents that are being ignored - go see the thread about how many showed up. I thought, perhaps people don't want to discuss it, and want to take a preliminary interest vote, to get a starter feel for where things stand. So, I started this thread, to start polling people. I was sincerely hoping that if there's a mass of tech suit proponents out there dying to cast an informal vote, it's easy enough to stop by here, and click yes or no, to convince us more actin should be taken, and that we should look into spending USMS mambership money in organizing an emergency poll. There's nothing preventing tose people from rounding up their friends and 'killing' this poll by a landslide pro tech suit vote... to prove a point. They can do it here just as anonymously. Like I said, SPMA has well over 4000 members, even if just 10% shows up, that's 400 new votes - that would have left a 'business beyond usual' mark on the poll. It did not happen. How can wse serously justify spending your guys membership fees on more polls, when people won't even come forward and use what's already there and free??? I'm open to being convinced one way or another. Wherever I look, I see more people agaist them, then for them. People for the suits keep telling us we're not asking the right group, their friends and people they know aren't being asked... well, bring them here! I can see both sides of the argument here, and my own personal opinion on the tech suit is really not that important. I'm more interested in doing whatever I can to look at things objectivelly. Same thing is happening on the local level, there's a very small group trying to make a lot of noise, and a few people doing a lot of trashing of the SPMA volunteers. (which is being dealt with with in appropriate places) Also, there's a lot more people who also expressed their desire to leave the rules be the way they are. The small cross section of opinions in the forum here actually matches pretty darn closely what is happening on a local level. While what's happening here is very informal, it's really not that out of whack with the rest.