Quantifying training

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In threads where training philosophy comes up, discussions of TRIMPS and TSS and other training models occasionally intrude. These models are not very well known, and even more poorly understood, so probably SolarEnergy, qbrain and I are just talking to each other and killing threads in those conversations. In any case, I figured I would present a brief overview of what it is that we're talking about when this terminology starts showing up. Best case, this will introduce these models to the subset of swimmers (or coaches) who would be interested enough to use them, but didn't previously know enough to do so. Plus, even if you're not the type to be interested in quantifying your training, it can be useful to think about workouts in this general framework. And, at the very least, this might serve as a place to discuss some of the details without worrying about driving those other threads too far off-topic.
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    I agree that my lactate concentration, glycogen, soreness are all recovered within a few hours or days of a tough workout (fatigue in your sense). But that workout will prevent me from swimming peak times for a somewhat longer time (fatigue in the model sense). +1. In total agreement here. Good enough for booking more quality work doesn't mean good enough for peak performance. I intend to push the study of this last article much further. What I find particularly interesting is that (and it could be seen as a downside as well) the author seems to extend the definition of muscle damage well over the damage done at the muscle fiber level. His definition of muscle damage seems to include the sort of damage one would incur as part of a normal race pace set. Altered calcium balance is the sort of *damage* that anyone would get after a hard race pace set. is most likely due to several factors including the disruption of muscle calcium balance and energy production, the poor recovery of muscle energy during this period, and the decrease in muscle protein content In case you had missed this paragraph, he later describes how compromised muscle structures tend to be slower in reloading its glycogen level, which by the same token explains Maglischo's Graph (referred to in a previous post). Based on this graph, the swimmers' glycogen level was not completely recovered even after 48 hours. **edit** Analysis in progress. Too cool sjstuart. First reference: Muscle damage comparison between 2 groups. Dumbell curl light weight high endurance and dumbell curl heavy weight. Muscle damage was found in both groups although recovery time was significantly faster in the endurance group. That first reference kind of confirms what I first though: Subjects were previously untrained. That explains the exaggeratedly long recovery times put forward by the author. That is a huge weakness but still. Very nice material for anyone wanting to improve on the applied exercise physiology side.
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    I agree that my lactate concentration, glycogen, soreness are all recovered within a few hours or days of a tough workout (fatigue in your sense). But that workout will prevent me from swimming peak times for a somewhat longer time (fatigue in the model sense). +1. In total agreement here. Good enough for booking more quality work doesn't mean good enough for peak performance. I intend to push the study of this last article much further. What I find particularly interesting is that (and it could be seen as a downside as well) the author seems to extend the definition of muscle damage well over the damage done at the muscle fiber level. His definition of muscle damage seems to include the sort of damage one would incur as part of a normal race pace set. Altered calcium balance is the sort of *damage* that anyone would get after a hard race pace set. is most likely due to several factors including the disruption of muscle calcium balance and energy production, the poor recovery of muscle energy during this period, and the decrease in muscle protein content In case you had missed this paragraph, he later describes how compromised muscle structures tend to be slower in reloading its glycogen level, which by the same token explains Maglischo's Graph (referred to in a previous post). Based on this graph, the swimmers' glycogen level was not completely recovered even after 48 hours. **edit** Analysis in progress. Too cool sjstuart. First reference: Muscle damage comparison between 2 groups. Dumbell curl light weight high endurance and dumbell curl heavy weight. Muscle damage was found in both groups although recovery time was significantly faster in the endurance group. That first reference kind of confirms what I first though: Subjects were previously untrained. That explains the exaggeratedly long recovery times put forward by the author. That is a huge weakness but still. Very nice material for anyone wanting to improve on the applied exercise physiology side.
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