Quantifying training

Former Member
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In threads where training philosophy comes up, discussions of TRIMPS and TSS and other training models occasionally intrude. These models are not very well known, and even more poorly understood, so probably SolarEnergy, qbrain and I are just talking to each other and killing threads in those conversations. In any case, I figured I would present a brief overview of what it is that we're talking about when this terminology starts showing up. Best case, this will introduce these models to the subset of swimmers (or coaches) who would be interested enough to use them, but didn't previously know enough to do so. Plus, even if you're not the type to be interested in quantifying your training, it can be useful to think about workouts in this general framework. And, at the very least, this might serve as a place to discuss some of the details without worrying about driving those other threads too far off-topic.
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    Again Q, I believe that this confusion may be caused by some study results conducted among untrained subjects. The muscle damage (and doms that follow) experimented untrained subjects committing to a weight resistance training can almost be considered as an injury. It can sometimes take weeks before it completely fade out. If you search for most available data on trained subjects though, you'll end up with a different opinion. Take this one for example www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../12663352 They did not even bother testing passed this famous 72hr time frame. Because after this period (I'm not inventing all this, be reassured), most believe that most negative training effect disappeared. Maybe you missed that I subjected myself to the test and came to a different conclusion to the articles you are referring. I also pointed out that lifting at or below 80% max for as many reps as possible results in a glycogen depletion failure and not muscle failure. You have convinced me that I can recover from glycogen depletion in 36 hours. Thanks.
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  • Former Member
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    Again Q, I believe that this confusion may be caused by some study results conducted among untrained subjects. The muscle damage (and doms that follow) experimented untrained subjects committing to a weight resistance training can almost be considered as an injury. It can sometimes take weeks before it completely fade out. If you search for most available data on trained subjects though, you'll end up with a different opinion. Take this one for example www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/.../12663352 They did not even bother testing passed this famous 72hr time frame. Because after this period (I'm not inventing all this, be reassured), most believe that most negative training effect disappeared. Maybe you missed that I subjected myself to the test and came to a different conclusion to the articles you are referring. I also pointed out that lifting at or below 80% max for as many reps as possible results in a glycogen depletion failure and not muscle failure. You have convinced me that I can recover from glycogen depletion in 36 hours. Thanks.
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